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Apple backs national right-to-repair bill, offering parts, manuals, and tools

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Re: Apple backs national right-to-repair bill, offering parts, manuals, and tools

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Post by lotsofpulp »

criley2 wrote: post #8

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You should see the amount of non repairable landfilled junk from going to a kids’ birthday party. Not only does the birthday kid get a ton of non repairable cheap toys they will only play with a couple times, but every kid that attends gets their own “party favor” bag filled with non repairable landfilled junk from Dollar Tree or Amazon.

My household has tons of Apple devices, but I guarantee the amount that have ended up in a landfill is miniscule compared to cheap toys given as social gestures that have ended up in the garbage.

Re: Apple backs national right-to-repair bill, offering parts, manuals, and tools

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Post by morkalork »

steveBK123 wrote: post #13

Cynically this could be one of those laws that the big producers like Apple have a competitive advantage over smaller companies that do one-off production runs with contract manufacturers. When you are at the scale of Apple, you could have a whole team designing your right-to-repair compliant processes, and lobbyists to ensure the law as passed is most favorable to your implementation. It also fits in nicely with App…

It would be twist if instead of industries lobbying for loop holes in right to repair bills, they started lobbying for thorough to the point of being Byzantine ones to keep new entrants out of the market. I guess it will be a function of how worried they are about their moat.

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Post by mlinhares »

steveBK123 wrote: post #13

Cynically this could be one of those laws that the big producers like Apple have a competitive advantage over smaller companies that do one-off production runs with contract manufacturers. When you are at the scale of Apple, you could have a whole team designing your right-to-repair compliant processes, and lobbyists to ensure the law as passed is most favorable to your implementation. It also fits in nicely with App…

But are there smaller companies producing one-off product runs in the smartphone market that are actually noticeable?

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Post by barumrho »

steveBK123 wrote: post #13

Cynically this could be one of those laws that the big producers like Apple have a competitive advantage over smaller companies that do one-off production runs with contract manufacturers. When you are at the scale of Apple, you could have a whole team designing your right-to-repair compliant processes, and lobbyists to ensure the law as passed is most favorable to your implementation. It also fits in nicely with App…

I hope there is some clause that exempts small manufacturers from having to comply...

Re: Apple backs national right-to-repair bill, offering parts, manuals, and tools

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Post by TerrifiedMouse »

steveBK123 wrote: post #13

Cynically this could be one of those laws that the big producers like Apple have a competitive advantage over smaller companies that do one-off production runs with contract manufacturers. When you are at the scale of Apple, you could have a whole team designing your right-to-repair compliant processes, and lobbyists to ensure the law as passed is most favorable to your implementation. It also fits in nicely with App…

Although what you say isn’t wrong …

Apple really can’t win. Oppose RtR. Gets criticized. Complies with RtR. Also gets criticized. LOL

Re: Apple backs national right-to-repair bill, offering parts, manuals, and tools

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Post by hed »

morkalork wrote: post #22
steveBK123 wrote: post #13

Cynically this could be one of those laws that the big producers like Apple have a competitive advantage over smaller companies that do one-off production runs with contract manufacturers. When you are at the scale of Apple, you could have a whole team designing your right-to-repair compliant processes, and lobbyists to ensure the law as passed is most favorable to your implementation. It also fits in nicely with App…

It would be twist if instead of industries lobbying for loop holes in right to repair bills, they started lobbying for thorough to the point of being Byzantine ones to keep new entrants out of the market. I guess it will be a function of how worried they are about their moat.

This is exactly what turned domestic US sales tax collection. Once there was market share, figuring out jurisdictional taxing became a moat to keep small players out.

Re: Apple backs national right-to-repair bill, offering parts, manuals, and tools

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Post by kmlx »

RobotToaster wrote: post #10
kmlx wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It would also make its parts, tools, and repair documentation available to both non-affiliated repair shops and individual customers, "at fair and reasonable prices“. not sure if this is related, but it looks like a step in the right direction.

Who would decide what "fair and reasonable prices" are? The only reasonable price for documentation that already exists is quite frankly zero.

i guess Apple? it's their device, and their parts. but anyway, re. price, it's the same issue for car parts, dishwasher parts etc etc

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Post by transcriptase »

Wasn’t their initial offering for tool rentals basically malicious compliance?

I vaguely recall stories of Apple sending out a shipping pallet of industrial tooling to replace a screen. The speculation at the time was that they were trying to be absurd and demonstrate why the average Joe shouldn’t be trying to do what their approved facilities can.

Re: Apple backs national right-to-repair bill, offering parts, manuals, and tools

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Post by criley2 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #21
criley2 wrote: post #8

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You should see the amount of non repairable landfilled junk from going to a kids’ birthday party. Not only does the birthday kid get a ton of non repairable cheap toys they will only play with a couple times, but every kid that attends gets their own “party favor” bag filled with non repairable landfilled junk from Dollar Tree or Amazon. My household has tons of Apple devices, but I guarantee the amount that have end…

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