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Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

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Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Visiting a malicious website or opening an email that exploits a vulnerability in your os or software is very common.

Citation? The last thing along those lines I'd heard of was the PNG(?) exploit.

Well, for one, the Java vulnerability discussed in linked article is actively being exploited on Windows to install that obnoxious fake "Antivirus 2012" malware.

Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

#102

As someone who used to sell Mac computers, I used to get asked the question "Is it true macs never get viruses?", to which I replied "No that's not true." (It was just an apple reseller store afterall so I was never compelled to bend the facts.) I'd try to explain the caveats a bit: a smaller market share and the unix based operating system requiring more permissions, yada yada, being "prohibitive" to an attack but s…

Yes, it is correct that Macs can get viruses. Where people get upset is when you generalize this to say that because >1 virus exists, OSX presents no significant advantage over Windows. Viruses are not a fact of life for Mac users. Talk to anyone who uses or services Macs; you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who's even seen an OSX virus. Whereas for Windows power-users, cleaning viruses for friends/parents is pract…

I've had new Mac users insist that I recommend an antivirus for them. Users who had very safe habits, didn't download basically any software or visit warez sites. They simply - and very sadly IMO - cannot reconcile the idea of a world where AV software is not completely necessary.

They'd only make their computer slower but hey, it's their choice.

Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

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post #2

Whoa, it aborts infection if you have XCode installed? Is this just to prevent itself from infecting someone's computer that might be able to study it?

I read that it also aborts and removes itself if Little Snitch is installed.

I take requests from LS pretty seriously so it makes sense that they would do it. I would google the process and port if a random request occured.

Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

#104
post #36

I can’t seem to /newpoll — but I would like to see, out of those who run the instructions to check for the virus, how many of us actually had it. (I didn’t.)

I didn't, and I installed the JAVA stuff to install CS5.

Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

#105
post #6

This both saddens and delights me, as it proves that Macs are now at a large enough market share that malware writers are willing to target that platform ...

Did not pre X versions of Mac OS have more viruses in the wild with much smaller market share?

I remember a bunch of Word Macro viruses on pre OS X systems. But I was in high school so I could be mistaken.

Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

#106
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is correct that Macs can get viruses. Where people get upset is when you generalize this to say that because >1 virus exists, OSX presents no significant advantage over Windows. Viruses are not a fact of life for Mac users. Talk to anyone who uses or services Macs; you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who's even seen an OSX virus. Whereas for Windows power-users, cleaning viruses for friends/parents is pract…

Malware creators are going to get more creative and more dangerous now that Windows is better and Macs are more popular. Technical countermeasures can only do so much against a determined mind with a strong incentive.

Windows is now better? What the fuck. You do realize this is Java exploit, and that recent versions of OS X don't even ship with Java. And on top of that this "malware" asks user for their admin password to install itself. And on top of that if you have dev tools or any of the popular system monitoring utilities it gives up!

Contrast that with typical Windows situation where no user cooperation is required to get infected.

Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

#107
post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is correct that Macs can get viruses. Where people get upset is when you generalize this to say that because >1 virus exists, OSX presents no significant advantage over Windows. Viruses are not a fact of life for Mac users. Talk to anyone who uses or services Macs; you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who's even seen an OSX virus. Whereas for Windows power-users, cleaning viruses for friends/parents is pract…

I've had new Mac users insist that I recommend an antivirus for them. Users who had very safe habits, didn't download basically any software or visit warez sites. They simply - and very sadly IMO - cannot reconcile the idea of a world where AV software is not completely necessary. They'd only make their computer slower but hey, it's their choice.

Dude, you need to update your mental threat model. These days, there's no such thing as "safe habits" - you're up against drive-by downloads that exploit browser or plugin vulnerabilities and are delivered by all kinds of perfectly normal websites that just happen to be vulnerable to SQL injection.

Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Malware creators are going to get more creative and more dangerous now that Windows is better and Macs are more popular. Technical countermeasures can only do so much against a determined mind with a strong incentive.

Windows is now better? What the fuck. You do realize this is Java exploit, and that recent versions of OS X don't even ship with Java. And on top of that this "malware" asks user for their admin password to install itself. And on top of that if you have dev tools or any of the popular system monitoring utilities it gives up! Contrast that with typical Windows situation where no user cooperation is required to get inf…

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Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

#109
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Malware creators are going to get more creative and more dangerous now that Windows is better and Macs are more popular. Technical countermeasures can only do so much against a determined mind with a strong incentive.

Windows is now better? What the fuck. You do realize this is Java exploit, and that recent versions of OS X don't even ship with Java. And on top of that this "malware" asks user for their admin password to install itself. And on top of that if you have dev tools or any of the popular system monitoring utilities it gives up! Contrast that with typical Windows situation where no user cooperation is required to get inf…

Drop the hostility and reread what I said. I didn't say "Windows is now better than Macs."

Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

#110
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Malware creators are going to get more creative and more dangerous now that Windows is better and Macs are more popular. Technical countermeasures can only do so much against a determined mind with a strong incentive.

Windows is now better? What the fuck. You do realize this is Java exploit, and that recent versions of OS X don't even ship with Java. And on top of that this "malware" asks user for their admin password to install itself. And on top of that if you have dev tools or any of the popular system monitoring utilities it gives up! Contrast that with typical Windows situation where no user cooperation is required to get inf…

Cool down, turbo, he's saying that Windows has improved from what it was in previous versions, not that Windows is better than OS X (the horror!)
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