Cloudflare API, dashboard, tunnels down

Post by wbl » Wed, Oct 25, 2023, 9:30 PM UTC

DoctorOW wrote: post #84

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #61

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True; but let's imagine everyone self-hosted. Perfectly decentralized. As I edited another comment to reflect, imagine if you took out just three companies. Level 3 Communications / Lumen; AT&T; Verizon Enterprise. With those three, you've knocked 2.35 million km, or 1.46 million miles, of fiber optic offline. That's over half of the US backbone in those three companies. Comcast "only" has 0.15 million miles for the…

I don't think this is more centralized, because it requires taking out multiple companies services. To take down three of these networking companies at once is something we've never actually seen, and that's the level needed to be comparable to a CloudFlare failure.

Post by ta1243 » Thu, Oct 26, 2023, 11:45 AM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #32

ta1243 wrote: post #20

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Operating at scale is hard. However the internet doesn't require people to "operate at scale". That's the beauty. It's a mash of different (relatively) small autonomous systems, with many hosts. If any host goes down, or any network goes down, the system ignores it, or reroutes it.

> However the internet doesn't require people to "operate at scale". The internet itself does not, yes, but the internet as a system, filled to the brim with bad actors ranging from 14 year old skiddies with Metasploit over hardened Russian ransomware groups to virtually all nations' secret services and militaries does. As soon as you start a server with a globally routed IP address, it will get hammered from all kin…