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Is this a joke?
Having tried Java and other languages, no, it's not a joke. Other than XML Maven got a lot of things right.
And you don't even need to use XML with Polyglot Maven
Was Rust Worth It?
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Re: Was Rust Worth It?
#352Is Rust a replacement for only C/C++ or also Java/Python/C#/TS? In the latter, I already get some memory safety which I believe is one of the biggest selling points of Rust. Are other benefits of language strong enough that we look into it to develop projects traditionally built in Java or Node?
Re: Was Rust Worth It?
#353"The Rust standard library is enormous."
Years ago I tried compiling a rust sample program. The binary size was one thing that put me off.
Today, I see the issue of large binary size has been addressed. The binary I get is sufficiently small.
If this issue of ~500M standard library is fixed, e.g., if some of it is made optional not mandatory, I will give rust another try.
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NPM added namespaces in version 2, which was released in Sep 2014, just 2 months before cargo was announced. I don't remember anyone making a big deal about using scopes in NPM for several years after that, it was just there as an option. The announcement blog post of v2 only gives two paragraphs to scoped packages and explicitly frames the feature as being for enterprises and private modules [0]: > The most prominen…
The left pad issue was kind of wild coming from the enterprise Java space. Supply chain attacks against open source software were already being taken pretty seriously, my last company had it's own Maven repository manager running that was used to stage and vet packages before they could be used in production.
I don't think the left-pad problem wasn't about package namespacing it was about the ability to unpublish packages as well the prevalence of micropackages caused by lack of a decent standard library.
Also npm's bad policy/decision to transfer control of package in the name of predictability(this should probably be avoided for packages that aren't malicious. You could argue for seizing broken/trivial and unmaintained packages that have a good name but even then it might be best to leave well enough alone).
I suppose you're talking about the original dispute which led the developer to unpublish his libraries (which npm stupidly allowed, and cargo didn't). There's a smaller chance of a company wanting a random package namespace then a package name but its not impossible (think Mike Rowe Soft vs Microsoft)
Re: Was Rust Worth It?
#355I wrote a lot of rust, but after some years it still feels unproductive. I do a lot of zig now and I am like 10 times more productive with it. I can just concentrate on what I want to code and I never have to wonder what tool or what library to use. I know rust gives memory safety and how important that is, but the ergonomic is really bad. Every time I write some rust I feel limited. I always have to search libraries…
I rather use compiled managed languages like Swift, D and C# instead, they provide enough low level coding knobs for C and C++ style coding, while being high level productive. Would add Go to the list, but only when I really have to. Nim and Crystal could be alternatives, but don't seem to have big enough communities, at least for what I do. However I do agree with the conclusion, Rust is a great language for scenari…
C# is underrated by the HN crowd, I find. I quite like how mid sized firms (100-1000 employees) use it.
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yes, HN hides secrets automatically ******* is my password, but you can't see it. Type your password back, and I won't be able to see it. Try it!
I'm not sure it's working the way you described: hunter2
Maybe you are getting tricked to give out your password...
Re: Was Rust Worth It?
#357I wrote a lot of rust, but after some years it still feels unproductive. I do a lot of zig now and I am like 10 times more productive with it. I can just concentrate on what I want to code and I never have to wonder what tool or what library to use. I know rust gives memory safety and how important that is, but the ergonomic is really bad. Every time I write some rust I feel limited. I always have to search libraries…
> but the ergonomic is really bad. Every time I write some rust I feel limited. > But I do not think it is a good general purpose language. Remember that this is not a sentiment that's shared by everyone. I use Rust for tasks that need anything more complicated than a shell script. Even my window manager is controlled from a Rust program. I say this as someone who has been programming in Python for nearly two decades…
I've finally set my mind to properly learning a new language after Python, Haskell, and typescript. I'm looking into Rust especially because of how I've heard it interoperates with Python (and also because it's maybe being used in the Linux kernel? Is that correct?).
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> "We're pretending security is not an issue." has been the feedback every time this is raised with the Cargo team. Do you have a specific link where I can read this response, because this is not at all the responses I have read.
Just some random Cargo security-related issues I noticed: - No strong link between the repo and the published code. - Many crates were spammed that were just a wrapper around a popular C/C++ library. There's no indication of this, so... "surprise!"... your compiled app is now more unsafe C/C++ code than Rust. - Extensive name squatting, to the point that virtual no library uses the obvious name, because someone else…
> Extensive name squatting, to the point that virtual no library uses the obvious name, because someone else got to it first.
Maybe the obvious names should have been pre banned. But I don't see the issue with non-obvious names either way you're going to have to get community recommendation/popularity to determine if
brandonq/xml is better or worse then parsers/xml
Re: Was Rust Worth It?
#359I wrote a lot of rust, but after some years it still feels unproductive. I do a lot of zig now and I am like 10 times more productive with it. I can just concentrate on what I want to code and I never have to wonder what tool or what library to use. I know rust gives memory safety and how important that is, but the ergonomic is really bad. Every time I write some rust I feel limited. I always have to search libraries…
> but the ergonomic is really bad. Every time I write some rust I feel limited. > But I do not think it is a good general purpose language. Remember that this is not a sentiment that's shared by everyone. I use Rust for tasks that need anything more complicated than a shell script. Even my window manager is controlled from a Rust program. I say this as someone who has been programming in Python for nearly two decades…
Surprisingly, I am faster in Rust than any other language. Something about my prior experiences just made it click just the right way.
I don't want to program in anything else anymore. I don't want to deal with obscure C++ error messages, C footguns and lack of ergonomics, I don't want to deal with abstraction hell of Java, or the poor person's typing that python has.
I have been programming in Python for the past 6 years, I know all sorts of obscure details, and with rust, I just don't need to think about all of those issues.
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> but the ergonomic is really bad. Every time I write some rust I feel limited. > But I do not think it is a good general purpose language. Remember that this is not a sentiment that's shared by everyone. I use Rust for tasks that need anything more complicated than a shell script. Even my window manager is controlled from a Rust program. I say this as someone who has been programming in Python for nearly two decades…
I've finally set my mind to properly learning a new language after Python, Haskell, and typescript. I'm looking into Rust especially because of how I've heard it interoperates with Python (and also because it's maybe being used in the Linux kernel? Is that correct?).
Linux kernel has support for rust userland drivers, and rust interops with python with pyo3.