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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by lucubratory »

grecy wrote: post #452
lucubratory wrote: post #382

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Refusing to answer the questions is a crime. Once you've committed a crime, the examination part can give way to the "You're under arrest" part.

> give way to the "You're under arrest" part. At least then you get a lawyer, and don't have to say anything, and don't have to give any passwords

Sure, but you're also on video committing the crime in front of police officers. The lawyer isn't going to help you get out of the charge for not answering questions, and if they still want your passwords the judge will absolutely just order you to give them up and keep stacking prison sentences until you comply.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by qingcharles »

jl2718 wrote: post #441
qingcharles wrote: post #204

I was once investigated for terrorism by Special Branch in the UK in about 1996. They came to my parent's house at a weekend to question me. I'd just happened to have gone home for the weekend to see my folks. I was running perhaps the largest warez site on the Internet at the time, so I thought I was super busted. The detective sat me down and said to me, "What do you know about a plot to kill the President?" and I…

Back then you could send an email “from” any address without verification, and I’d bet they weren’t sophisticated enough to detect that. There were many open and/or hacked SMTP gateways. I went to a federal military school and showed people how to do this on our own .mil servers. This would be deadly serious today, but email was 95% jokes and flame wars anyway, so it just made things more hilarious. Even Stanford CS’…

Those wild times. I would often use a cia.gov FROM address on a lot of stuff. The crazy shit you could do. I ran one of the EFnet servers, so I just added HOSTS entries to the server so that I was on from cia.gov and whitehouse.gov all the time which confused a lot of people.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by acdha »

jjgreen wrote: post #466
acdha wrote: post #444

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This is a legal problem, not a technical one. If you’re required to turn something over your choice is to do it or sit in jail (or worse if you get the full NYPD/Gitmo treatment). If you’re really lucky, you can convince them that whatever they’re looking for doesn’t exist but consider how hard it is to prove a negative like that. In most cases, that devolves to the second outcome above, possibly with some destructio…

This is a technical problem, not a legal one. Don't take your phone.

That’s a misattribution. Not bringing your phone means you are choosing not to do something perfectly legal due to abuse of power — and doing so is likely to encourage further abuse because the culprits know they are less likely to be recorded.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by firen777 »

kmlx wrote: post #157
marcus_holmes wrote: post #59

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The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. As we predicted when the UK proposed these monstrous laws: they are being abused to go after anyone who annoys the establishment. That'…

> that his support of Hamas say what now? is there any proof he supports those terrorists? in which case, it's pretty clear why he was detained. edit: found it: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... yup, terrorism charges incoming. from the same guy that did this: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambas...

Man, the more I looked into this guy and his co., the more I learnt what a piece of work this guy is.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by lobocinza »

junofan wrote: post #408
derivagral wrote: post #227

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Not sure how formatting will go, from desktop twitter: Craig Murray - @CraigMurrayOrg To be entirely plain. I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation. But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support. If that is a crime, send me back to jail. 7:24 PM · Oct 14, 2023 · 167.9K Views

Dang, he forgot to mention that one in the article…

A bit dishonest from him, right? Given his background, he should know better and probably did.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by smsm42 »

vintermann wrote: post #414
njharman wrote: post #308

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Step one; get overreaching, extreme powers passed into law because they'll only be used to fight "terrorism". Step two; redefine everything as terrorism.

We're already at step two, since no one sincerely thinks Craig Murray is a terrorist.

He is not likely taken part in terrorist activities personally, but he admitted to supporting terrorists, so it's not out of the realm of plausible he also provided material support and aid to them. I'm not saying it necessarily happened, but it's not unbelievable.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by EricE »

kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

This is the importance of the state in keeping the populace in a perpetual state of fear with their propagandists in the media. It's what allows garbage legislation like this to proceed in the first place.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by smsm42 »

diggan wrote: post #3

Some context: > Craig John Murray is a Scottish author, human rights campaigner, journalist, and former diplomat [...] he became a political activist, campaigning for human rights and for transparency in global politics as well as for the independence of Scotland [...] Murray was one of few people granted access to Julian Assange's extradition hearing which started in the Old Bailey on 7 September 2020. He published…

He cites "support for Palestine" in his first paragraph. It's not "zero ties to anything violent" if you didn't sleep through the last month. I mean, he probably isn't a member of Hamas or anything like that, but he very well may have donated to Hamas-affiliated NGO, either knowingly or unknowingly. It'd be not a huge link but also not zero link. He also publicly endorsed Hamas and Hezbolah in his tweets and dared the security services to arrest him. Also not zero. Well, now he got his wish as if seems.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by smsm42 »

kmlx wrote: post #157
marcus_holmes wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. As we predicted when the UK proposed these monstrous laws: they are being abused to go after anyone who annoys the establishment. That'…

> that his support of Hamas say what now? is there any proof he supports those terrorists? in which case, it's pretty clear why he was detained. edit: found it: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... yup, terrorism charges incoming. from the same guy that did this: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambas...

If he goes to pro Hamas rallies days after Hamas started war with Israel it's kinda hard not to make this conclusion.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by smsm42 »

MyFirstSass wrote: post #260
kmlx wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that his support of Hamas say what now? is there any proof he supports those terrorists? in which case, it's pretty clear why he was detained. edit: found it: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... yup, terrorism charges incoming. from the same guy that did this: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambas...

Looks more to me like he's a human rights activist that has been targeted by the security state as Naom Chomsky et. al comments in the just posted article. His own comments are about desperate measures when carpet bombed. That you want to swiftly send him to jail tells me totalitarianism is becoming fashionable again.

He said every act by Hamas is justified, a week after Hamas murdered 1400 people. As terrorism support goes, you can't be any clearer. He's not "human rights activist", at least human rights of murdered Israelis don't concern him a single little bit. He's pro-terrorist activist who is open and brazen at calling on terrorists to murder more civilians right after they murdered 1400 of them. He's not some innocent bystander. He specifically thrust himself into this on the side of terrorists.

I am not sure I want to give the government the power to prosecute even such disgusting people, because I can't trust the government with such powers. But pretending like he is completely uninvolved and it's just random out of the blue thing when he specifically endorsed terrorists is bullshit.

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