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Was Rust Worth It?

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Re: Was Rust Worth It?

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Post by stcroixx »

lolinder wrote: post #9
chungy wrote: post #2

Perhaps my biggest critique is that crates.io has no namespacing. Anyone can just claim a global and generic package name and we mostly have to deal with it (unless you avoid using the crates.io repository, but then you'll probably have more problems...). Some of these globally-claimed generic packages are not really the best package to use. Maybe it was a reaction against the Java-style reverse DNS notation, which i…

> Maybe it was a reaction against the Java-style reverse DNS notation I suspect it was less a reaction against anything and more just following the norms established by most other package managers. NPM, PyPI, RubyGems, Elixir's Hex, Haskell's Cabal... I'm having a hard time thinking of a non-Java package manager that was around at the time Rust came out that didn't have a single, global namespace. Some have tried to…

Perl’s CPAN was around in the 90’s and all modules were namespaced.

Re: Was Rust Worth It?

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Post by ethbr1 »

jrockway wrote: post #97
swatcoder wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, URL's don't make sense because your application shouldn't care where on the internet your dependency happened to be hosted when you integrated it. It's location has nothing to do with what it is. By the time you're going to production, your vetted and locked dependency should be living in your own cache/mirror/vendored-repo/whatever so that you know exactly what code you built your project around and know exactly…

It worked for the rest of the Internet.

There is something to be said for separating {unique piece of content} and {hosted location}.

E.g. doi's https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier

Re: Was Rust Worth It?

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Post by fawadasaurus »

chungy wrote: post #2

Perhaps my biggest critique is that crates.io has no namespacing. Anyone can just claim a global and generic package name and we mostly have to deal with it (unless you avoid using the crates.io repository, but then you'll probably have more problems...). Some of these globally-claimed generic packages are not really the best package to use. Maybe it was a reaction against the Java-style reverse DNS notation, which i…

I did some analysis on crates.io to find the top name squatters. Then I did some calculations and found that the top name squatter created their crates at a rate of about one ever 30 seconds for a period of a week straight.

I send the analysis to the crates.io team and pointed that they have a no-automation policy.

They told me that it was not sufficient proof that someone was squatting those names. That's my problem with crates.io is that they have a clear policy and they don't enforce it so all the short/easy to remember names for crates are already taken and there is nothing you can do to get it.

Re: Was Rust Worth It?

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Post by andrewstuart »

A key factor in selecting language is ChatGPT.

I need to use ChatGPT as a programming sidekick/pair programmer/mentor. Yes, I am not afraid to admit - I need an AI assistant and won't program without it - AI is far too valuable.

If ChatGPT struggles with a programming language that is a big problem.

I have had a great experience with ChatGPT with TypeScript, SQL, Python, golang, C++.

I tried ChatGPT with Rust and it essentially failed - it does not understand the language.

AI has become an essential tool for me in programming if the language doesn't do AI or doesn't do it well then that's a huge mark against it.

Re: Was Rust Worth It?

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Post by myaccountonhn »

clumsysmurf wrote: post #25

As an outsider, I often hear about async Rust being less than ideal. Perhaps I don't understand, because I haven't dipped my toes in the water yet... but I do most of my work in Kotlin with Coroutines, and concurrency is everywhere in the UI. I can't imagine working in a language having a major deficit in this space. Are there any efforts to overhaul or completely rethink this?

For me I am working on a side project in Rust and had very few issues, Rust felt quite straight forward up until the point where I had to mess around with async. For my domain I need to use a framework that expects you to set up a shared mutable state for the connection pooling in an opinionated way. Suddenly I encountered arc and mutex and very cryptic trait error messages for code doing way too much magic. All I wanted was to share a SQLite connection in an ugly way to get my mvp out but I was dealing with absolutely incomprehensible trait issues.

In general I’ve noticed that there are a lot of code generation modules that can generate very cryptic error messages if you stay clear of their happy paths.

Re: Was Rust Worth It?

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Post by SCLeo »

chungy wrote: post #2

Perhaps my biggest critique is that crates.io has no namespacing. Anyone can just claim a global and generic package name and we mostly have to deal with it (unless you avoid using the crates.io repository, but then you'll probably have more problems...). Some of these globally-claimed generic packages are not really the best package to use. Maybe it was a reaction against the Java-style reverse DNS notation, which i…

If you have a namespace, can't people just globally-claim namespaces instead? like serde/serde or something similar. I feel if you really don't want people claim whatever they want, you have to do the Java package style where namespaces are tied to domain names.

Re: Was Rust Worth It?

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Post by juliangmp »

Zagitta wrote: post #37

"Programming in Rust is like being in an emotionally abusive relationship. Rust screams at you all day, every day, often about things that you would have considered perfectly normal in another life. Eventually, you get used to the tantrums. They become routine. You learn to walk the tightrope to avoid triggering the compiler’s temper. And just like in real life, those behavior changes stick with you forever." This is…

Its wild how different the perspective is depending on your background

The author also wrote >[Rust's] dev tooling leaves much to be desired

I can't even begin to comprehend such a statement. Rust's tooling ecosystem is the number one reason why I want to convince my colleagues to give it a shot. Its literal heaven coming from C++ with cmake...

Re: Was Rust Worth It?

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Post by forrestthewoods »

andrewstuart wrote: post #104

A key factor in selecting language is ChatGPT. I need to use ChatGPT as a programming sidekick/pair programmer/mentor. Yes, I am not afraid to admit - I need an AI assistant and won't program without it - AI is far too valuable. If ChatGPT struggles with a programming language that is a big problem. I have had a great experience with ChatGPT with TypeScript, SQL, Python, golang, C++. I tried ChatGPT with Rust and it…

ChatGPT 4 has worked great for Rust for me.

Re: Was Rust Worth It?

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Post by WatchDog »

chungy wrote: post #2

Perhaps my biggest critique is that crates.io has no namespacing. Anyone can just claim a global and generic package name and we mostly have to deal with it (unless you avoid using the crates.io repository, but then you'll probably have more problems...). Some of these globally-claimed generic packages are not really the best package to use. Maybe it was a reaction against the Java-style reverse DNS notation, which i…

Maven and Java really don’t get enough credit for how well it’s dependency management works.

So many inferior dependency management systems for other languages have come along later, and learned nothing from those that came before it.

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