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The cost of cloud, a trillion dollar paradox (2021)

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Re: The cost of cloud, a trillion dollar paradox (2021)

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It is now. It wasn't in the past. It wouldn't be if they had to compete with providers that also wanted to compete.

AWS was basically built as an internal product to support the retail business, and then they realized that they can sell it.

There's been several articles posted here over the years from people that worked at Amazon at the time saying this is just a myth.

Re: The cost of cloud, a trillion dollar paradox (2021)

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Interesting to see this article again since it was the trigger of starting a homelab for me. After realizing cloud services are putting a major dent in my pocket to get a lousy startup idea off the ground, I started to wonder if there's "The Cheapest" way? (I'm not cheap but I'm very frugal) Nowadays internet speed is great to do self hosting. I have a business line internet at home with ~1gb up&down! Bought couple o…

What will you do if your startup suddenly takes off? That's the main advantage of the cloud early on -- flexibility.

> What will you do if your startup suddenly takes off?

Sit back and relax? Being massively overprovisioned is a benefit of homelabs.

Re: The cost of cloud, a trillion dollar paradox (2021)

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I think it's a bit nutty that folks always use Dropbox as the example of "cost savings by doing it yourself".

I mean, Dropbox itself is essentially a provider of cloud storage. It seems like owning their own data centers was obvious from the beginning: Use AWS initially to scale, but given the size of Dropbox it obviously doesn't make sense to have another middleman in the mix.

I just point this out because Dropbox is so unlike your average enterprise user of the cloud. I'd like to see some better examples than Dropbox of enterprises saving more (or innovating as quickly) by going on their own.

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Interesting to see this article again since it was the trigger of starting a homelab for me. After realizing cloud services are putting a major dent in my pocket to get a lousy startup idea off the ground, I started to wonder if there's "The Cheapest" way? (I'm not cheap but I'm very frugal) Nowadays internet speed is great to do self hosting. I have a business line internet at home with ~1gb up&down! Bought couple o…

After this talk [0] I had several most interesting conversations with media folks about the real cost and advantages of "cloud". One thing that came up is development. Modern devops culture is quite a good thing, and what's lovely about "cloud" - as in the ability to quickly buy compute and storage capability - is that ideas you would have tinkered with in on-prem labs (or across private sites) for months can be imag…

I feel like a lot of that shifted now.

You can just have on-premise k8s and keep most of the velocity gained from developers being able to "just run stuff" instead of anything having to go thru sysadmins.

You can just rent few servers off OVH to start and not have to worry about actual hardware, while still being few times cheaper than cloud.

Yeah you won't have access to the slew of cloud services and will have to deploy your own database but with amount of readily available code and software to do it it doesn't really slow down experimenting all that much

Re: The cost of cloud, a trillion dollar paradox (2021)

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Interesting to see this article again since it was the trigger of starting a homelab for me. After realizing cloud services are putting a major dent in my pocket to get a lousy startup idea off the ground, I started to wonder if there's "The Cheapest" way? (I'm not cheap but I'm very frugal) Nowadays internet speed is great to do self hosting. I have a business line internet at home with ~1gb up&down! Bought couple o…

What will you do if your startup suddenly takes off? That's the main advantage of the cloud early on -- flexibility.

App still needs to be written to be scalable. And if shit hits the fan moving to cloud (...or just renting dedicated servers at 1/3 the cloud cost) isn't too bad

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I think it's a bit nutty that folks always use Dropbox as the example of "cost savings by doing it yourself". I mean, Dropbox itself is essentially a provider of cloud storage. It seems like owning their own data centers was obvious from the beginning: Use AWS initially to scale, but given the size of Dropbox it obviously doesn't make sense to have another middleman in the mix. I just point this out because Dropbox i…

I work at a company that recently tried to shift our (on prem, sharded, 2-metro, 6 replica) mysql deployment to AWS. Any way we sliced it, even after steep discounts, we were seeing massive TCO increases, often up to 10x - the math just doesn't work out for large deployments. It's really a shame that all these companies are forced to write their own (crappy) version of AWS - but price is a feature when it comes to this stuff.

Re: The cost of cloud, a trillion dollar paradox (2021)

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Interesting to see this article again since it was the trigger of starting a homelab for me. After realizing cloud services are putting a major dent in my pocket to get a lousy startup idea off the ground, I started to wonder if there's "The Cheapest" way? (I'm not cheap but I'm very frugal) Nowadays internet speed is great to do self hosting. I have a business line internet at home with ~1gb up&down! Bought couple o…

After this talk [0] I had several most interesting conversations with media folks about the real cost and advantages of "cloud". One thing that came up is development. Modern devops culture is quite a good thing, and what's lovely about "cloud" - as in the ability to quickly buy compute and storage capability - is that ideas you would have tinkered with in on-prem labs (or across private sites) for months can be imag…

> I'm a big advocate of rapid prototyping as a _huge_ business lever, because the ability to try out ideas quickly, to easily reconfigure things, is the key for time to market. You can quickly see if something is going to fly or not. And that's where the advantage ends.

Too many businesses aren’t even properly utilising that key advantage. They’re moving servers to the cloud but still using their outdated development and deployment processes, and things move just as slowly in the cloud as they used to on prem. They know what Infrastructure as Code means, but only as separate words.

Re: The cost of cloud, a trillion dollar paradox (2021)

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the benefit of the cloud is the elasticity. People neglect sometimes that businesses had to scale their infrastructure to peak demand before the cloud. If your workloads don't have peaks it's an easy problem to solve.

We had to purchase/lease HP storage servers with 10x the storage we needed for our photo startup in 2006. The lead time to get a server was weeks so there was very little elasticity to respond to non linear growth.

Would have been a lot easier if we had S3 (launched around this time, no one really knew about it or what it was).

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