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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by imwillofficial »

jsnell wrote: post #40
nerdjon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a fairly simple setup AWS automates a lot of things. If I just want an EC2 instance and a database, the VPC already exists and there is now even a button on an RDS that says something like "connect to ec2" which sets up the security groups on both for you. However the argument against using GCP has already been stated in this thread multiple times. - Will it exist in 3-5 years. Google has a reputation for a reaso…

The argument being stated multiple times doesn't mean it is valid. Amazon, Microsoft and Google have all launched roughly as many products in the last couple of decades, and killed roughly as many of them unceremoniously after the products failed. (Amazon execs used to outright brag to the media about how many products they killed, since it showed that they were daring to take risks.) AWS, Azure and GCP have also all…

This isn’t my experience.

Amazon supports most stuff roughly forever.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by preommr »

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google.

At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers.

Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million.

Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use quite a few google services from youtube, to google workspaces (a paid service) - I have never talked to a Google representative. I have talked to AWS service reps multiple times, I have talked to Amazon reps multiple times. Amazon as a company has real people you can talk to.

I don't trust google to not shut down my gcp account because my gmail was connected to some project where I accidentally sent a bunch of spam emails to a test account. And if that did I happen, I feel like I would just get an automated message and a bunch of hoops to jump through before I could talk to a real person.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by mardifoufs »

esafak wrote: post #5

Does anyone have recent experience with both? I'm in the market, for a startup, and I need to decide. My priorities are the data warehouse (BigQuery vs. Redshift) and ML (Vertex AI vs. SageMaker). This article is three years old. Vertex did not even exist then.

Choose whoever gives you the biggest startup credits. The UX and UI experience is secondary to that imo, and the other technical differences aren't something you will care about as a smaller startup.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by VirusNewbie »

HideousKojima wrote: post #69
Eridrus wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What odds would you like to bet that GCP is going to be gone in 10 years?

If it can't get profitable (or at least within $1B/year of profitable, or have some sort of major loss leader value to Google) then I'd give it 90% likelihood they they announce a shutdown within 10 years. Whether or not they'll continue to lose billions a year for Google I can't say.

They had a net profit of 266M this quarter, so like, as of today they're on track to go past 1B in profit.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Alupis »

mvdtnz wrote: post #78
danielmarkbruce wrote: post #21

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I used to work in GCP. They are definitely committed to it. Search, Android, Google Cloud, YouTube - definitely committed. It's the random little things they build too many of and hence close down. They never really understood branding. Slapping Google on everything doesn't help, it hurts. Many things are actually experiments and shouldn't be marketed as more than that.

> They are definitely committed to it. Google on Stadia: October 2019 - "It is a long term view that Google is taking" November 2020 - "roadmap of about 400 games in development right now from 200 developers [...] 2023 is really kind of where we’re aiming our sights" February 2021 - "building Stadia into a long-term, sustainable business [...] remain committed to Stadia as a platform" September 2021 - "gaming is an i…

It's not entirely a fair take, since nobody figured out how to make cloud gaming feasible. They have all given up, or are in the process of giving up.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by gnarlouse »

Ameo wrote: post #22

My two cents, GCP has a few excellent gems which are better than pretty much any competing cloud offering: - Cloud Run. Best way to deploy containers hands down. All of the benefits of a serverless/containerized workload with all the ease of a traditional VPS deployment. Extremely cheap (pay $0 for side projects with little traffic). - BigQuery. Very easy to use with immense power without having to deal with the deta…

Honestly Cloud Run is so well designed, it really puts AWS Lambda & Fargate to shame.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by elijaht »

HideousKojima wrote: post #69
Eridrus wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What odds would you like to bet that GCP is going to be gone in 10 years?

If it can't get profitable (or at least within $1B/year of profitable, or have some sort of major loss leader value to Google) then I'd give it 90% likelihood they they announce a shutdown within 10 years. Whether or not they'll continue to lose billions a year for Google I can't say.

Cloud was profitable during the last quarter

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by mvdtnz »

Alupis wrote: post #85
mvdtnz wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are definitely committed to it. Google on Stadia: October 2019 - "It is a long term view that Google is taking" November 2020 - "roadmap of about 400 games in development right now from 200 developers [...] 2023 is really kind of where we’re aiming our sights" February 2021 - "building Stadia into a long-term, sustainable business [...] remain committed to Stadia as a platform" September 2021 - "gaming is an i…

It's not entirely a fair take, since nobody figured out how to make cloud gaming feasible. They have all given up, or are in the process of giving up.

Huh? Microsoft and nVidia (and I think Sony? not sure) are continuing to run their cloud gaming services as we speak.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by adrr »

latchkey wrote: post #76
mdaniel wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, AIUI "reach the front page of HN" was always the only cited way of getting any help with a Google problem, so in that way this is a derivative of that scenario

Yea, that's not true at all of GCP... you're just propagating a myth.

Why is GCP a distance 3rd with cloud providers? They used to be second. They literally will throw tens of thousands of dollars of free development to get you to switch. Amazon may give some service credits if you're willing to switch an application over to them. EKS and GKE are on par with each other. So its not technology holding them back.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by ajross »

preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

No interest on engaging on the core issues of trust, except to say my standard bit: HN is a site predicated on the whole idea of embracing risk. Except with this one particular vendor who everyone loves to distrust. Maybe... it's not about risk at all?
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