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CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they're useless

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Re: CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they're useless

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For those who haven't seen it yet: A Simple and Convenient Synthesis of Pseudoephedrine From N-Methylamphetamine https://archive.org/details/pseudosynth

Such a classic :) Top shelf

I've heard whispers some drug chemist figured out how to whip up dextroamphetmaine (main ingredient of Adderall more or less) from plastic spoons or polystyrene or some shit.

They might have even written a literal scientific paper on it or something to that effect

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You haven't needed a prescription to purchase products with pseudoephedrine in them in Oregon since January 1, 2022.

So they decriminalized meth in 2020 but it took them another two years to roll back this mess? Oregon leading the way, as usual.

>This is fearmongering and sensationalism.[0]

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38008005

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And the vast majority of people who make it don't have proper chemistry training, lab equipment, PPE, or pure chemicals to make pharmaceutical grade methamphetamine with no impurities or unreacted reagents. I'm all for medicine that helps people and amphetamines absolutely can, but methamphetamine doesn't help people. It enslaves them.

Get the govt to make it properly, give it out for free in treatment centres where they have to consume it, giving an interface to the addicts for mental health and drug rehab staff (or have a trapdoor that sends the addicts to a gator pond when they walk in the door)

Shall the addicts stay in the treatment center while they are high? Or will the treatment center release them after checking vitals to allow them to go do what they want to when high (which for many addicts is "have as much sex as time will allow")

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Its annoying how the biggest consideration in whats get OTC'd is how useless it is (only slightly above homeopathic level useless) or how painful the overdose is (more painful -> sure, knock urself out) and little recreational potential it has (see point 2 + again, knock urself out) with a few radical exception(s) Edit: if its pharmacologically active and effective for "an" indication, its fun/euphoric, and super saf…

Its almost like they dont give a fuck about safety or efficacy and "they" just don't want you getting high Edit: meth is technically legal, with the caveat its only the levorotatory isomer

*small caveat

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For many it does indirectly since it relieves sinus pressure.

Does it? I thought it was no better than a placebo? Are you sure you're not thinking of pseudoephedrine?

It does work if you spray it directly in the nose. It does not work orally. I wonder if they think that CVS will be removing the spray.

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Acetaminophen has a narrow therapeutic index and can cause severe and irreversible liver injury in doses around 10 g. A single tablet usually contains 500 mg, but because it's a component of so many other "combo" cold meds, including some syrups, it's easy for people to overdose while mixing OTC products to get over a flu. Aspirin has a lower standard dose (325 mg), higher LD50 (probably around 20-25 g), and is gener…

> Ibuprofen is probably the safest option? I've heard it can damage the stomach lining if taken at the wrong time relative to eating. But yeah probably still the least-bad first-resort painkiller.

I didn't know about this and got a nasty ulcer after taking ibuprofen for 6 days in a row while dealing with a disease. I'm not touching this anymore and stick with a max of 2g of acetaminophen per day if I need painkillers

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>>go to the pharmacy counter and get Pseudoephedrine Thanks DEA, you used to just be able to get that in Nyquil and all the others, but the DEA in their moronic idea that drug dealers are going and buying precursors from the local CVS (not stealing them in bulk) has to abuse millions of law abiding sick people forcing them to sign the "papers please" log book treating them like criminals for wanting to feel better.

Obviously retail pseudoephedrine was never a substantial contributor to methamphetamine production (tell me again why that’s illegal?). Which raises the question, what what the real goal in preventing people from buying functional medicines? Frankly I think the specific intent was exactly this. The main effect was to cause human suffering and Occams razor tells me the main effect was probably the intended effect.

>Obviously retail pseudoephedrine was never a substantial contributor to methamphetamine production

I don't know how it compares to organzied production, but people certainly do cook meth from retail pseudoephedrine. In my neck of woods, it's a fairly popular pasttime, since all ingredients can be purchased in a single trip to a shopping mall.

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Obviously retail pseudoephedrine was never a substantial contributor to methamphetamine production (tell me again why that’s illegal?). Which raises the question, what what the real goal in preventing people from buying functional medicines? Frankly I think the specific intent was exactly this. The main effect was to cause human suffering and Occams razor tells me the main effect was probably the intended effect.

> methamphetamine production (tell me again why that’s illegal? Because it ruins people's lives, that's why.

So do alcohol, gambling and bad relationships.

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My understanding is that they are only removing products that ONLY contain Phenylephrine, which means they will still sell it when it is part of multiple-ingredient formulations, which are in themselves kind of a scam. For example, many OTC "severe cold/flu" formulations contain: - Acetaminophen. Potentially helpful for the body aches that come with the flu, but a lot of the time when I'm sick, I don't exactly need o…

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This was posted on this submission: https://reason.com/2009/09/30/put-down-the-cold-pills-grandm... More: https://reason.com/2009/09/28/hoosier-grandmother-arrested-f...

Those two links are the same one person.

I know. The second link contains more info than the first.
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