If Cloudflare goes down, Internet goes down.
Confusing reply wording due to comment edit. Was:
"I can't be the only person who literally doesn't give a F?"
Cloudflare API, dashboard, tunnels down
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If you want to find out who uses Cloudflare, can I interest you in what's known as the domain name service?
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#24If you’re waiting for the inevitable “this is why we shouldn't centralize everything”; this is that comment. As much as I like cloudflare and easy to use stuff, lets be a little bit mindful of the blast radius of highly centralized services which are even more complex to operate due to the scale of the deployment and problem scope. luckily this time its just administrative interfaces and supplemental services that as…
Operating at scale is hard. However the internet doesn't require people to "operate at scale". That's the beauty. It's a mash of different (relatively) small autonomous systems, with many hosts. If any host goes down, or any network goes down, the system ignores it, or reroutes it.
In practice, cloudflare or AWS down means half the internet doesn't work at all. The half that works - routing around problematic networks - isn't very helpful when the problematic networks are the useful ones.
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#25If you’re waiting for the inevitable “this is why we shouldn't centralize everything”; this is that comment. As much as I like cloudflare and easy to use stuff, lets be a little bit mindful of the blast radius of highly centralized services which are even more complex to operate due to the scale of the deployment and problem scope. luckily this time its just administrative interfaces and supplemental services that as…
What's the impact for most sites if they go down a few times a year due to AWS/CloudFlare?
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#26On the positive side, the postmortem should make for interesting reading.
This has become my knee jerk reaction to these kinds of outages. It's always interesting when the more indepth engineering-focused post-mortem comes out
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#27working for me @ 10:23 AM in Oregon
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#28If you’re waiting for the inevitable “this is why we shouldn't centralize everything”; this is that comment. As much as I like cloudflare and easy to use stuff, lets be a little bit mindful of the blast radius of highly centralized services which are even more complex to operate due to the scale of the deployment and problem scope. luckily this time its just administrative interfaces and supplemental services that as…
What's the impact for most sites if they go down a few times a year due to AWS/CloudFlare?
Whats the impact if the entire internet is down for a couple of hours?
What if its more than a few hours because theres a natural monopoly and a dearth of capable people to run systems independently - thus no strong external incentive for rapid response outside of punitive SLAs?
How much soft power do you think such an entity would have on the world stage.
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#30If you’re waiting for the inevitable “this is why we shouldn't centralize everything”; this is that comment. As much as I like cloudflare and easy to use stuff, lets be a little bit mindful of the blast radius of highly centralized services which are even more complex to operate due to the scale of the deployment and problem scope. luckily this time its just administrative interfaces and supplemental services that as…
Most people blame Cloudflare and Amazon for centralizing everything.
I actually disagree; the centralization is a symptom of severe, systemic, unfixable flaws in the design of the internet itself. At least we didn't let AOL define internet.