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Post by nineteen999 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #405
nineteen999 wrote: post #391

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Slowly over the course of the last 48 years. There was no pivotal moment. Probably the key thing was the realisation that even with the very good wage i'm on, I was unlikely to be able to save enough deposit money to buy a house in my city without at least one of my parents passing away. And then the realisation that there are people that work far harder than me, earn far less, and understanding that they are in an e…

If you want to think about the correlation between hard work and income, watch someone operating a jackhammer and then visit a golf course.

Watch the person operating the jackhammer go to a golf course, or watch someone operating a jackhammer and then visit a golf course myself? Your sentence is ambiguous.

Are you trying to say that you think that some manual labor roles are overpaid? Why can't a jackhammer operator play golf if they want to?

In my country an entry level jackhammer operator makes about $60K and an experienced one about $100K. Doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

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Post by jjav »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #301
katamarimambo wrote: post #292

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A 20 year old person is already old enough to use Social Media, smoke and drink. By 2 years at least. Y'all insane.

As someone who drunk at 18, I think it is too young. Alcohol is a drug just like coke, cannabis etc. By holding off until 21 you can reduce the amount of long term addiction.

> By holding off until 21 you can reduce the amount of long term addiction.

Most countries offer a counterexample.

Extreme binge-drinking to the point of harm and even death is quite particular to the US. It's a result of the prohibition on drinking, so the forbidden fruit is abused. In most contries kids drink mildly with family from 13-14 and with friends after that, but it is never seen as a big deal. So there's no pressure to go crazy at 21, or to hide it before that. When something is normal and not a big deal, it's not abused.

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Post by mantas »

logicchains wrote: post #323
DougN7 wrote: post #62

Growing up, I knew maybe two or three kids that had emotional problems. Now (as an adult with grown kids) I hardly know any families that don’t have such a person. I’m sure part of it is we’re more open, which is great, but I can’t attribute all of it to that. The rising generation is really struggling. My guess is social media, but maybe it’s environmental pollution or something similar. I live in the US for what it…

>My guess is social media, but maybe it’s environmental pollution or something similar There are plenty of other countries that have just as much social media usage as the US but don't have the same widespread emotional dysfunction, so wouldn't that suggest that social media isn't to blame?

We're getting same issues but it takes few years to propagate. I'd say US is ~ 5 years ahead of UK and another 5 years of the rest of europe.

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Post by firecall »

vasdae wrote: post #233
firecall wrote: post #223

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I frequent the OCAU forum here in Australia. Moderating the News board became too arduous and carried potential legal liability. So they turned the board off. It’s really not that hard. And anyway, just because you can’t fix everything, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try and fix something. All or nothing thinking leads to inaction.

So we can only have discussion forums where the owner is a big company that can afford to have a team of moderators around the clock. Yes, that's going to end well. (For the elites, that is.)

My direct experience is that all social is now Dark Social.

It's invite only Groups on Telegram, FB Messenger, or Apple Messages mostly.

So it has ended well for my social circle ;-)

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Post by robertlagrant »

voisin wrote: post #376
robertlagrant wrote: post #290

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Doesn't seem to relate to the Wikipedia definition: > Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity, and feigning ignorance of the subject matter

Well, I agree it isn’t the perfect context but it isn’t wholly out of left field either, depending on the user’s interpretation of the previous poster’s quibbling over age.

I don't think so. No one was asking for facts/evidence.

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Post by anon-3988 »

DougN7 wrote: post #62

Growing up, I knew maybe two or three kids that had emotional problems. Now (as an adult with grown kids) I hardly know any families that don’t have such a person. I’m sure part of it is we’re more open, which is great, but I can’t attribute all of it to that. The rising generation is really struggling. My guess is social media, but maybe it’s environmental pollution or something similar. I live in the US for what it…

There's another phenomena that I have observed recently where people _want_ to be seen as "mentally ill".

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Post by robertlagrant »

ViktorRay wrote: post #394
dymk wrote: post #257

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Because at some point you decide that some threshold is useful to have, and stop sealioning on the internet about it

I disagree that the poster you replied to was “sealioning”. It seems he was using rhetorical questions to try to make an argument. Basically he was following The Socratic Method. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method Essentially using questions to challenge assumptions in the form of argumentative dialogue. This is a legitimate form of having a debate and it has been used for thousands of years. To compare…

Agreed. If something like "sealioning" is first order bad faith argumentation, this falsly accusing someone of doing it, hoping observers don't notice the difference, is second order bad faith.

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Post by anon-3988 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #416
wordpad25 wrote: post #343

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Cultural stigma against mental health issues is extremely ubiquitous outside the US This causes mental health issues to go unaddressed, but, ironically, it also helps in a way, because peer pressure certainly helps reinforce individual discipline to develop techniques to keep it together. Peer pressure is a very powerful motivator. For example fat shaming is certainly bullying but it's also certainly effective at dis…

> fat shaming is certainly bullying but it's also certainly effective at discouraging overeating As far as I know, it just traumatizes people and discourages them from eating in front of the people shaming them. Then, as we all do, they relieve the trauma by using their usual coping mechanism - in their case, eating. It's just like hitting kids. It teaches them to avoid getting hit; they learn nothing about their beh…

> As far as I know, it just traumatizes people and discourages them from eating in front of the people shaming them. Then, as we all do, they relieve the trauma by using their usual coping mechanism - in their case, eating.

But if you materially get fat you will get fat shamed regardless. So while it doesn't make you stop eating garbage, you will somehow, someway figure out how to keep a decent figure. This can either be exercise or more awful methods like surgery.

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Post by martin82 »

DougN7 wrote: post #62

Growing up, I knew maybe two or three kids that had emotional problems. Now (as an adult with grown kids) I hardly know any families that don’t have such a person. I’m sure part of it is we’re more open, which is great, but I can’t attribute all of it to that. The rising generation is really struggling. My guess is social media, but maybe it’s environmental pollution or something similar. I live in the US for what it…

It's not social media.

Mental diseases are metabolic diseases.

It is the food that destroys our brains and even worse, our women eat shit even during pregnancy, so the brains of newborns already start out with defects.

If we were eating a proper human diet (ie beef and eggs), we would not have these issues on this scale.

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