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CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they're useless

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Re: CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they're useless

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> And yet innocent people still get arrested and have their lives upended and/or ruined because they accidentally violated pseudoephedrine regulations. I'm curious to know if you have any examples of this because I can't find one.

This was posted on this submission: https://reason.com/2009/09/30/put-down-the-cold-pills-grandm... More: https://reason.com/2009/09/28/hoosier-grandmother-arrested-f...

Those two links are the same one person.

Re: CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they're useless

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Are you sure you're thinking of the right drug? I haven't heard that it possesses any analgesic properties.

For many it does indirectly since it relieves sinus pressure.

Does it? I thought it was no better than a placebo? Are you sure you're not thinking of pseudoephedrine?

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Again, I'm not advocating for the limits. I'm saying it would be very hard to exceed the limits as they exist now.

Step 1, get married. Step 2, have kids. Put your allergy status on your dating profile, I guess.

True enough, but you can also get a prescription for this if you don't want to do OTC/BTC.

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For what it’s worth, Afrin and other similar nasal sprays are by far the best decongestant. The only issue is you can only take them for a few days straight, or you’ll have rebound congestion when you try to quit. There are oodles of stories online of people who didn’t heed that advice and upped their dosages again and again for months. Here’s the best method: Afrin (etc.) at night so you can sleep, and during the da…

Afrin is so incredibly addictive that I highly recommend never using it… use it once and you’ll be hooked for years, trust me!

I use it quite a few times a year (in bursts) and I'm not hooked. I gave instructions in my post as to how. Colds don't last as long for my wife so she just uses it for 2-3 days and then stops.

Re: CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they're useless

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For what it’s worth, Afrin and other similar nasal sprays are by far the best decongestant. The only issue is you can only take them for a few days straight, or you’ll have rebound congestion when you try to quit. There are oodles of stories online of people who didn’t heed that advice and upped their dosages again and again for months. Here’s the best method: Afrin (etc.) at night so you can sleep, and during the da…

> (Also, Adderall is great for colds) Do not go around saying this, even if it’s true. We’re experiencing a huge Adderall shortage, and the last thing we need is people who were on the fence deciding to get a Rx because it might help them with cold symptoms in the winter.

Well, I doubt many people are going to bother hoodwinking their doctors in order to get a prescription. It is a shame it can't just be sold over the counter though, as it really is the best cold medicine. It keeps your sinuses somewhat clear and gives you enough energy to get through the day.

It's probably a bad idea for anyone with a heart condition, in case anyone out there is getting a not-so-bright-idea.

Re: CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they're useless

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> if you are actually congested, go to the pharmacy counter and get Pseudoephedrine Yes, that's what works for me. And of course it used to be available OTC until the government decided to control access to it because of fears of meth.

I mean we can see a demonstrable and quantifiable MASSIVE decrease in meth usage and overdose circa 2005 when the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act went into effect. Also, it's still available without a prescription, last I checked, it was just behind the counter/required an ID to track if you're grabbing a pack from every Walgreens in a 50 mile radius in a single night

Here in Australia we have the same restrictions on pseudoephedrine, possibly worse ones (you have to show ID and it gets recorded centrally so you don’t just pharmacy-hop)

And it’s done nothing. Hasn’t affected availability. Hasn’t cut down on illicit lab operations. Nothing.

People will say “It has cut down on the amount of pseudoephedrine going to illegal meth operations”, as if that in itself is a useful outcome instead of utterly meaningless.

Re: CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they're useless

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My understanding is that they are only removing products that ONLY contain Phenylephrine, which means they will still sell it when it is part of multiple-ingredient formulations, which are in themselves kind of a scam. For example, many OTC "severe cold/flu" formulations contain: - Acetaminophen. Potentially helpful for the body aches that come with the flu, but a lot of the time when I'm sick, I don't exactly need o…

If the phenylephrine thing is true, that means I placebo'd my way through COVID in addition to every cold I've had in the past 15 or so years. Going from severely congested to not at all, every four hours, makes me think that it's got to be a "this only works in some people" drug.

If it was a “works for some people” drug, you would expect to see a reproducible effect over and above placebo, but AFAICT that’s not the case with phenylephrine.

Is there something else you’re doing or taking alongside that might explain it?

If not … well, happy placebo-ing to you!

Re: CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they're useless

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post #246

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I mean we can see a demonstrable and quantifiable MASSIVE decrease in meth usage and overdose circa 2005 when the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act went into effect. Also, it's still available without a prescription, last I checked, it was just behind the counter/required an ID to track if you're grabbing a pack from every Walgreens in a 50 mile radius in a single night

Here in Australia we have the same restrictions on pseudoephedrine, possibly worse ones (you have to show ID and it gets recorded centrally so you don’t just pharmacy-hop) And it’s done nothing. Hasn’t affected availability. Hasn’t cut down on illicit lab operations. Nothing. People will say “It has cut down on the amount of pseudoephedrine going to illegal meth operations”, as if that in itself is a useful outcome i…

When I lived in Sydney I had a few friends that frequently bought Rikodeine (dihydrocodeine cough syrup), which is also meant to be tracked via pharmacists recording IDs. My friends knew what pharmacies didn't bother to track it, normally if you were a 'repeat' customer and knew the pharmacist. They were able to buy 10~ bottles in a day from 8 - 10 pharmacies, repeating every few days. This was also in Sydney's central cbd so there's a pharmacy every other block.

I assume the situation is similar with pseudoephedrine, though the drug class/restrictions may be different.

Re: CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they're useless

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I am not sure why the downvote. It keeps hypochondriac people away from the medical system by giving them essentially placebos. Everyone is happy.

No, you have people that think those “placebos” are real medicine and end up killing their kids because of it.

I am not aware that they do homeopathy for cancer treatment.
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