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Re: Meta sued by states over harmful youth marketing

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Post by nineteen999 »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #363
nineteen999 wrote: post #340

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I'm in my late 40's and I agree with you 100%, more now than I would have at any point previously, and I certainly don't consider myself a bleeding leftie. Might be interesting to see how the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" HN/SV crowd react to your comment.

Zero trolling: When did this become obvious to you? And why/how?

Slowly over the course of the last 48 years. There was no pivotal moment. Probably the key thing was the realisation that even with the very good wage i'm on, I was unlikely to be able to save enough deposit money to buy a house in my city without at least one of my parents passing away. And then the realisation that there are people that work far harder than me, earn far less, and understanding that they are in an even more fucked situation.

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Post by megaman821 »

Swizec wrote: post #368
robertlagrant wrote: post #354

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If its delivery coated your lungs with tar, it would then be comparable to big tobacco.

If social media use has been casually linked to depression and friends, that’s kinda like coating your brain with tar. https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/study-social-m...

If I gave you 10 random people to run tests on, you could tell me who the heavy social media users were? Because I could tell you who the heavy smokers were, if you gave me the same.

Social media may have its problems, but these terrible comparison to drugs is silly. It is not going convince anyone but those who already don't like social media.

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Post by mym1990 »

Toolbox1337 wrote: post #377
failbuffer wrote: post #366

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A good book on this is The Coddling of the American Mind. It argues several factors (including social media, safteyism, and the decline in unstructured play time) are responsible for the significant rise in young adult mental health issues that started around 2012. Good read.

In my opinion, it's largely the result of poor economic conditions and rising inequality endemic to a broken system. Young people today are keenly aware that they will have significantly lesser quality of life than the generation that preceded them, while simultaneously having to work much harder to gain a fraction of it. Communism may have fallen over in the Soviet Union, but it looks as if Capitalism is destined to…

I don't know which 'young people' generation you are talking about but I don't think most of them are actively comparing themselves to previous generations. It is very difficult to accurately compare my quality of life vs say my mothers. Most people are just trying to live life and get by as best as they can. If anything, older generations belittle the younger ones with the 'you've got it easy' comments.

Communism never really took off, so it didn't have far to fall. But nothing lasts forever, so surely capitalism and democracy will give way eventually(in some ways it already has).

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Post by ViktorRay »

dymk wrote: post #257
sneak wrote: post #255

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Why is it okay for a 19 year old but not a 17 year old? If they’re bad, they’re bad for adults, too? If they’re not inherently bad, then they can be safely used by responsible 16 year olds as well as responsible 18/19 year olds? We let 16 year olds operate deadly machinery traveling at many meters per second. Social media is at least less potentially harmful than automobiles.

Because at some point you decide that some threshold is useful to have, and stop sealioning on the internet about it

I disagree that the poster you replied to was “sealioning”. It seems he was using rhetorical questions to try to make an argument. Basically he was following The Socratic Method.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

Essentially using questions to challenge assumptions in the form of argumentative dialogue.

This is a legitimate form of having a debate and it has been used for thousands of years. To compare it to the internet trolling practice of sealioning where somebody just asks for evidence repeatedly is disingenuous

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Post by fullshark »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #345
fullshark wrote: post #135

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Section 230 more like it

Section 230 doesn't stop regulation of social media by the government. Do you know what it actually says?

It says basically these internet companies are not publishers so they aren't libel for things that get printed on their platforms. Libel laws was traditionally how publishers have been "regulated" by the gov't / civil courts.

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Post by huytersd »

heavyset_go wrote: post #329
huytersd wrote: post #248

Good. For once I’ll agree with the governance in Utah and say we should ban social media for kids until they are 18.

The law in Utah exists to prevent young people from communicating with like-minded peers in communities like r/exmormon or r/lgbt. The issue is billion dollar companies manipulating people for profit, not that people are able to communicate with each other over the internet. It's entirely possible to host communities that aren't corrupted by investors who want 1000x returns on their investments. However, the Utah law…

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Post by DoktorDelta »

kridsdale3 wrote: post #388
Toolbox1337 wrote: post #377

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In my opinion, it's largely the result of poor economic conditions and rising inequality endemic to a broken system. Young people today are keenly aware that they will have significantly lesser quality of life than the generation that preceded them, while simultaneously having to work much harder to gain a fraction of it. Communism may have fallen over in the Soviet Union, but it looks as if Capitalism is destined to…

The decade after 2012 was an enormously wealthy bull market.

Only for the people who could afford to gamble on the market. That accelerated the growth of inequality, which can be seen today.

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Post by f001 »

wordpad25 wrote: post #343
logicchains wrote: post #323

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>My guess is social media, but maybe it’s environmental pollution or something similar There are plenty of other countries that have just as much social media usage as the US but don't have the same widespread emotional dysfunction, so wouldn't that suggest that social media isn't to blame?

Cultural stigma against mental health issues is extremely ubiquitous outside the US This causes mental health issues to go unaddressed, but, ironically, it also helps in a way, because peer pressure certainly helps reinforce individual discipline to develop techniques to keep it together. Peer pressure is a very powerful motivator. For example fat shaming is certainly bullying but it's also certainly effective at dis…

Anecdotally it did not. Just introduced self-esteem issues and if anything pushed me to emotional eating. I know a few people in the same boat.

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Post by ironic_comments »

DougN7 wrote: post #62

Growing up, I knew maybe two or three kids that had emotional problems. Now (as an adult with grown kids) I hardly know any families that don’t have such a person. I’m sure part of it is we’re more open, which is great, but I can’t attribute all of it to that. The rising generation is really struggling. My guess is social media, but maybe it’s environmental pollution or something similar. I live in the US for what it…

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Post by Racing0461 »

barelyauser wrote: post #80
DougN7 wrote: post #62

Growing up, I knew maybe two or three kids that had emotional problems. Now (as an adult with grown kids) I hardly know any families that don’t have such a person. I’m sure part of it is we’re more open, which is great, but I can’t attribute all of it to that. The rising generation is really struggling. My guess is social media, but maybe it’s environmental pollution or something similar. I live in the US for what it…

The system does not care for their well being because they are redundant. Drug use was frowned upon during the Cold War because we needed people to win a industrial war against a much bigger enemy. We don't need them anymore, so the system does not care if they end overdosing in an alleyway. It is all connected, culture, social and economical.

damn. this is it. canada just passed a law saying people can get physician assisted suicide (maid) for drug problems.
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