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Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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People conspiring to raise up hatred of an individual, and people of the same mind in HR departments green lighting the acquiesence to that hatred, is the problem. Someone shouting a swear word at me while killing me is unpleasant, but I'll allow it. It's the killing that's the problem.

I feel like if you didnt do something shameful then theres nothing to be called out for, and if you did do something shameful then being shamed is a reasonable thing to have happen. If its shameful enough that your employer saw it and would fire you for it, then you 100% deserve to be fired. no one is getting canceled for saying something that isnt shameful happy to help

> I feel like if you didnt do something shameful then theres nothing to be called out for

"Shameful" is not objective. It's moral fashion, that can change very quickly.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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post #148

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Being evasive about your policies, because you don't want to alienate anyone, seems a dubious strategy, at best.

Ah! I now see why you think he is bad at politics. I'm sorry to shatter your illusions. In a better system, it would be. But this is UK politics. If you don't win outright, you lose. Therefore, for most of us, we don't vote _for_ our preferred candidate, we vote _against_ our enemy. I haven't had the luxury of voting Lib Dem for years - I'd just be throwing my vote away. Starmer only needs to present himself as the e…

Voting for fringe parties has more effect than people give it credit for - they can and do put pressure on the main parties even when they dont get a lot of votes. With UKIP it changed the whole country (not for the better obviously, but they did).

That said, I'd make an exception for Lib Dems purely because the party is full of awful people with no real principles who have and would turn on a dime for political advantage. It has been a vote in the bin for 24 years.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Wrongthink must be stamped out! Seriously, what kind of dystopia are UK politicians trying to create? Also, that's a lot of tax money that could, I dunno, be used to improve the schools?

There’s a reason that 1984, V for Vendetta, Judge Dredd, etc. are all created by people in the UK.

And Brazil.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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post #153
post #148

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Ah! I now see why you think he is bad at politics. I'm sorry to shatter your illusions. In a better system, it would be. But this is UK politics. If you don't win outright, you lose. Therefore, for most of us, we don't vote _for_ our preferred candidate, we vote _against_ our enemy. I haven't had the luxury of voting Lib Dem for years - I'd just be throwing my vote away. Starmer only needs to present himself as the e…

Voting for fringe parties has more effect than people give it credit for - they can and do put pressure on the main parties even when they dont get a lot of votes. With UKIP it changed the whole country (not for the better obviously, but they did). That said, I'd make an exception for Lib Dems purely because the party is full of awful people with no real principles who have and would turn on a dime for political adva…

I'll vote for the Lib Dems simply because that is the most likely way we can get proportional representation.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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post #144

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No, that's thanks to unbalanced Devolution which grants Parliaments and self-government to everyone except the English who are still (over-)ruled by the Union Parliament in Westminster.

No, you misunderstand the situation. The electoral system for Westminster makes a handful of constituencies, all in England, the kingmakers, giving the national government a hubris that is not matched by their actual levels of support on the ground. So government is for a subset of the population and the rest can go hang. The deck is stacked. The regional assemblies are limited in power and subordinate to Westminster…

I am absolutely understood understand the situation as a former vice-chairman of the Campaign for an English Parliament. And describing a national law-making Parliament such as Holyrood as a "regional assembly" shows that your prejudice blinds you to the genuine issues.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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post #153

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Voting for fringe parties has more effect than people give it credit for - they can and do put pressure on the main parties even when they dont get a lot of votes. With UKIP it changed the whole country (not for the better obviously, but they did). That said, I'd make an exception for Lib Dems purely because the party is full of awful people with no real principles who have and would turn on a dime for political adva…

I'll vote for the Lib Dems simply because that is the most likely way we can get proportional representation.

The Lib Dems had their chance though, in the 2010 coalition with the Tories. Lib Dems might indeed be the biggest party promoting proportional representation as a policy, but what is to say that they will be able to implement it even if they did form a government?

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

#158

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I'll vote for the Lib Dems simply because that is the most likely way we can get proportional representation.

The Lib Dems had their chance though, in the 2010 coalition with the Tories. Lib Dems might indeed be the biggest party promoting proportional representation as a policy, but what is to say that they will be able to implement it even if they did form a government?

It turned out David Cameron was willing to give them PR without a referendum but they didn't ask for it. I doubt they will make that mistake again.
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