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Re: Meta sued by states over harmful youth marketing

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Post by cheriot »

NegativeK wrote: post #251
cheriot wrote: post #176

> with features like “infinite scroll” and persistent alerts used to hook young users > Meta has harnessed powerful and unprecedented technologies Are we talking about infinite scroll or heroine? It would make more sense to sue Kelloggs over Lucky Charms commercials, but we're all use to them so there's no outrage. It's politically popular to sue big tech and especially Meta. That's the whole story. To be clear, the…

Why does the solution have to be one-sided? Why can't we educate parents about controls and stop Meta from intentionally making their software addictive? Heck, we could even fine Meta and have the money go to efforts to reduce the behaviors they've worked so hard to create.

> stop Meta from intentionally making their software addictive

By regulating the existence of a 'next page' button? Curious if you can think of user interface rules that are less absurd.

Re: Meta sued by states over harmful youth marketing

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Post by codegeek »

As someone who is very pro Free Speech and hates censorships in general, banning these toxic social media especially for Kids is a good idea and as a parent, I am all in for it. If you cannot smoke/drink till 21, you shouldn't be able to do Social media till then. It is that bad especially for children.

Re: Meta sued by states over harmful youth marketing

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Post by resonious »

millzlane wrote: post #258
sneak wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it okay for a 19 year old but not a 17 year old? If they’re bad, they’re bad for adults, too? If they’re not inherently bad, then they can be safely used by responsible 16 year olds as well as responsible 18/19 year olds? We let 16 year olds operate deadly machinery traveling at many meters per second. Social media is at least less potentially harmful than automobiles.

How many 16 year olds learned to steal cars from social media?

Is this the social media's error or the car manufacturer's error? Or maybe it's really law enforcement's error?

Re: Meta sued by states over harmful youth marketing

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Post by tsunamifury »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #252
tsunamifury wrote: post #247

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In all seriousness, no, and for obvious reasons. The toxicity is created by the participants, freely and of their own volition. Is it Facebooks responsibility to police that, shut it down, censor it? Honestly... And where who and when? According to what laws in what regions. Also how do we know Facebook created it, or if it is simply making visible the toxicity that everyone knows is middle school and highschool. I h…

> Either way its different than tobacco which was created by the company itself. One could argue that Meta willingly boosted toxic engagement themselves. This didn't happen in a vacuum. When a controversial post or comment suddenly pops up in your feed, out of nowhere, participants may be responsible for the responses to it, but Meta is very clearly seeking, targeting, and amplifying that toxic behaviour for profit.

Again, you don't know that. That can be the result of, show what is engaged with more, and you end up with a rage-loop, that was in no way designed purposefully into the original system.

You're on hacker news you should know these types of system design issues...

Re: Meta sued by states over harmful youth marketing

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Post by justinsaccount »

resonious wrote: post #263
millzlane wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many 16 year olds learned to steal cars from social media?

Is this the social media's error or the car manufacturer's error? Or maybe it's really law enforcement's error?

Or maybe the parents and every other adult in the lives of these children that failed to teach them that stealing a car is wrong, no matter how easy it is?

Re: Meta sued by states over harmful youth marketing

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Post by voisin »

dymk wrote: post #257
sneak wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it okay for a 19 year old but not a 17 year old? If they’re bad, they’re bad for adults, too? If they’re not inherently bad, then they can be safely used by responsible 16 year olds as well as responsible 18/19 year olds? We let 16 year olds operate deadly machinery traveling at many meters per second. Social media is at least less potentially harmful than automobiles.

Because at some point you decide that some threshold is useful to have, and stop sealioning on the internet about it

This is the first I’ve heard the term sealioning. Just looked it up and man, it feels like one of those foreign words that perfectly describe something that we encounter all the time. Thanks!

Re: Meta sued by states over harmful youth marketing

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

glimshe wrote: post #129

Irrespective of the incidental value "Meta" provides, let's keep in mind that no business has a right to exist independently from its standing in the system of laws and the health of its users - especially children. Social media companies argue that they can't monitor every post and do appropriate age verification online because it would be "impossible to scale". Well, tough luck. Not being able to scale is YOUR prob…

"Not being able to scale is YOUR problem, not MINE."

Indeed, it is doubtful that these mega-sized websites were intended by the original architects of the www. More likely, they may have imagined the web as a whole would grow (scale) as more people gained internet access. Instead the "Silicon Six" intend only to scale their own gargantuan websites that they now refer to as "platforms". All web publishing and even internet communications are expected to be intermediated by a handful of surveillance advertising companies. What a disaster.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/11/25/silicon-si...

Re: Meta sued by states over harmful youth marketing

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Post by millzlane »

justinsaccount wrote: post #265
resonious wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this the social media's error or the car manufacturer's error? Or maybe it's really law enforcement's error?

Or maybe the parents and every other adult in the lives of these children that failed to teach them that stealing a car is wrong, no matter how easy it is?

I agree with it being a part failure on the parents. But let's be honest. Even kids raised in good homes can be shitheads or influenced by them. It makes sense why some of my friends parents didn't like their kids hanging with us. I get it now...If I had kids, I too would probably make prejudice judgments about shitty parents and wonder if I should let my kids hang with them knowing they are unsupervised or in a place with immature guardians.

Re: Meta sued by states over harmful youth marketing

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Post by [deleted] »

glimshe wrote: post #234
username332211 wrote: post #221

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The comparison you're making is nonsensical. My home kitchen doesn't routinely serve strangers. The forum I host trough a server in my cupboard does. If you want to make a comparison, it's between a small family restaurant and a giant fast food chain. It may surprise you but food inspectors treat both in roughly the same way. Face it. Nothing meaningfully separates my forum from giant social media companies apart fro…

Anything at scale is something else entirely.

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