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Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake

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Re: Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake

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I loved my windows phones so much. lumia 900 and 920. I totally bought in to the microsoft ecosystem because I wanted to keep using that phone OS and those phones. but the ecosystem sucked ass. none of microsoft's google/apple equivalents were up to par. one night when xbox music said I didn't have license to play any of my music on a long car ride home was the last straw. I bought a galaxy note 3 that evening when I…

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Re: Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake

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I really liked my windows phone. The colourful live tiles and the physical design were great. What it lacked was 3rd party apps.

Loved my Lumia 800 and 925. I actually considered the limited ecosystem a feature because I didn't want to be more addicted to the phone. And the concept of glanceable icons and all the stuff intended to keep you from getting lost in apps—great to me, but unfortunately not great for the app business model. So it died.

Re: Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake

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One of the things I find very frustrating about Microsoft (and to a lesser extent Google) is how they will walk back nearly anything at the slightest pushback and cancel anything that isn't an immediate overnight success. The Kinect was really, really cool tech, and I dream about what could have been if MS had not made the Kinect thst came with the XBox One optional pretty much right after it was announced.

The Kinect is a bad example of this. It was fundamentally gimmicky and didn't seem to have somewhere to go.

Re: Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake

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For me the saddest thing is not Windows Phone going away, it's Nokia not going all the way with their Qt based Linux distro, Meego. I had a Nokia N9 smartphone, the UI was amazing. It took 5 (I think?) years for iOS and Android to sort of copy the gesture based UI, badly. Damn internal corporate politics at Nokia.

Blackberry went all the way with QNX and it didn't pan out either. There just wasn't room for a third player.

Re: Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake

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I loved my windows phones so much. lumia 900 and 920. I totally bought in to the microsoft ecosystem because I wanted to keep using that phone OS and those phones. but the ecosystem sucked ass. none of microsoft's google/apple equivalents were up to par. one night when xbox music said I didn't have license to play any of my music on a long car ride home was the last straw. I bought a galaxy note 3 that evening when I…

How long did we have live tiles before such a thing made it onto other brands?

Re: Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake

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We did need competition and new ideas though. Badly.

Did, and still do.

Desperately still do.

I've been an Android user for over a decade but haven't bought a phone for myself for a while. Samsung won't update the Galaxy S8 any more and my bank decided it was too old to run their app.

The others in my family are iPhone users and I dragged an iPhone 7 out of the drawer to give it a go. Now that google's apps and Chrome are native on the platform you can set up an iPhone as almost completely a google experience.

Embarrassingly all the google services work better on an iPhone than they do on Android. I used it for a day and liked it so much I picked up a newer iPhone and transferred to that.

It will take something really bad to send me back to Android - you end up being a 2nd class citizen running Android especially around security and the amazing face recognition unlock that Apple have implemented.

However, it's pretty troubling in terms of competition - the iPhone will hit a critical mass where choosing Android will be wilfully silly.

Re: Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake

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I really liked my windows phone. The colourful live tiles and the physical design were great. What it lacked was 3rd party apps.

the hardware was amazing - you'd get top of the line processor / screen and memory for a few hundred bucks. The OS was great too; so much nicer than the "pages of apps" on other phones, mostly because there never were pages of apps available on a windows phone :(

Re: Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake

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For me the saddest thing is not Windows Phone going away, it's Nokia not going all the way with their Qt based Linux distro, Meego. I had a Nokia N9 smartphone, the UI was amazing. It took 5 (I think?) years for iOS and Android to sort of copy the gesture based UI, badly. Damn internal corporate politics at Nokia.

Didn't it live on as SailfishOS and Jolla, before dying for lack of customers?

I too had an N9, and while I wouldn't describe it as amazing, it was reasonably good for the time and probably the best we've ever had in terms of a functional multitouch "linux phone".

IMO what killed it was the closed off nature of Harmattan and the lack of support from Nokia in encouraging hacking the OS. No reproducible firmware, no trivial flashing of community builds standing on the shoulders of what Nokia shipped on the phone. We'd be in a very different place today had the N9 been where the PinePhone is in terms of ability to easily derive and swap out distros, and the vibrant community this enables.

Re: Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake

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If you watch the Windows UI community talks on YouTube, at least on public channels, whoever is in charge doesn't seem to grasp how much all those rewrites killed the ecosystem, and they keep asking people to invest into WinUI/WinAppSDK, which not only is yet another rewrite, the tooling is a joke versus UWP. No wonder that Windows developer community decided to ignore whatever is related to WinUI, and focus on the s…

Looking for some advice here. I’d be interested to develop simple GUI’s at work. I don’t have much experience of that. I have a license for VS2015 to maintain legacy VB and C++ but I think an upgrade could be arranged. I’m comfortable doing web dev but the browser remains limiting. In my situation, would learning native gui development be worthwhile or is it much easier to stick to websites and/or Electron?

Using WinUI is really easy to do. Whether you're using WinUI 2.8 with UWP or WinUI 3. So native GUI development isn't difficult at all. XAML is similar to HTML in a lot of ways. If you have your mind set on web development and want a native GUI, you could go with React Native for Windows.
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