Title: "and mobile was a mistake".
That's misleading as the article correctly states, that it was admission the company made some serious mobile mistakes (in strategy / approach).
Not that "mobile was a mistake".
Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake
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#22I always felt like Microsoft was in a hard place when it came to Windows Phone.
If they tried to market it as a third party alternative to Android, why would manufactures give up an OS they can customize and not have to pay to license (Do you have to pay of the play store?).
Locking down Windows Mobile in the iPhone way is counter to how Microsoft runs Windows right now and would be a major uphill battle. The iPhone kinda lucked out being able to pull this off due to when it came out I think.
All of this leads to them needing a healthy enough install base to get developers to make apps.
Personally I don't think they gave up too soon, I think they were fighting an uphill battle that they were likely never going to Win. It didn't really matter how many good ideas they had when they were up against 2 very entrenched platforms.
The problem was, they were too late.
> In retrospect, I think there could have been ways we could have made it work by perhaps reinventing the category of computing between PCs, tablets, and phones.
Why does that quote give me Windows 8 vibes? The idea of a single platform and UI for everything? That worked super well.
Re: Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake
#23Title: "and mobile was a mistake". That's misleading as the article correctly states, that it was admission the company made some serious mobile mistakes (in strategy / approach). Not that "mobile was a mistake".
Read it as
“Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella admits giving up on (Windows Phone and mobile) was a mistake”
Re: Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you watch the Windows UI community talks on YouTube, at least on public channels, whoever is in charge doesn't seem to grasp how much all those rewrites killed the ecosystem, and they keep asking people to invest into WinUI/WinAppSDK, which not only is yet another rewrite, the tooling is a joke versus UWP. No wonder that Windows developer community decided to ignore whatever is related to WinUI, and focus on the s…
Looking for some advice here. I’d be interested to develop simple GUI’s at work. I don’t have much experience of that. I have a license for VS2015 to maintain legacy VB and C++ but I think an upgrade could be arranged. I’m comfortable doing web dev but the browser remains limiting. In my situation, would learning native gui development be worthwhile or is it much easier to stick to websites and/or Electron?
Much easier to go with Electron. The choice is made for you. With native Windows, it's a dozen different solution and you waste timing playing future teller to imagine which one won't be abandoned in the future. At least with Electron you can reuse your skills with websites and it's pretty established now. Yes, it's not as fast but it's fast enough.
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#25For me the saddest thing is not Windows Phone going away, it's Nokia not going all the way with their Qt based Linux distro, Meego. I had a Nokia N9 smartphone, the UI was amazing. It took 5 (I think?) years for iOS and Android to sort of copy the gesture based UI, badly. Damn internal corporate politics at Nokia.
I miss Psion which ironically abandoned the market because they thought Microsoft would dominate it. Some of their ease of use has never been replicated.
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#26I loved my windows phones so much. lumia 900 and 920. I totally bought in to the microsoft ecosystem because I wanted to keep using that phone OS and those phones. but the ecosystem sucked ass. none of microsoft's google/apple equivalents were up to par. one night when xbox music said I didn't have license to play any of my music on a long car ride home was the last straw. I bought a galaxy note 3 that evening when I got home.
windows phone come back :(
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#27Do I smell a round 2 for a Windows Phone? Imagine a new Windows Phone....that runs Android apps.
I think there are a Android launchers the mimick the WP aesthetics. No need for a new OS or device for that.
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#28I always felt like Microsoft was in a hard place when it came to Windows Phone. If they tried to market it as a third party alternative to Android, why would manufactures give up an OS they can customize and not have to pay to license (Do you have to pay of the play store?). Locking down Windows Mobile in the iPhone way is counter to how Microsoft runs Windows right now and would be a major uphill battle. The iPhone…
There was an article a couple of days ago on Windows CE going out of maintainence. I worked on building a touchscreen tablet that used it, I don't see why Windows Mobile should have been any less configurable than Windows CE.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also deeply enjoyed my Nokia Lumia. They clearly took many design cues from Zune, which was another excellent product I loved that did not take off. I think if MS Phone had stuck it out a bit longer hybrid apps may have helped bring some developers in. It sounds like Nadella still doesn’t get it though. MSFT tried several times to “reinvent the category of computing between PCs, tablets, and phones” and none succee…
I liked mine too. Sometimes I think I was the only one, but now I know there were at least three of us. I had what I think was the lowest end Lumia at the time, a Lumia 520 maybe? It did what it did really well. The camera was surprisingly OK. The tiles meant I could see what I needed without tapping around. It was much more responsive than other phones in its price range from what I remember too.
Wife here still using some Lumia 525 or 535 Dual-Sim. Only for calls, no messages or internet. Still works surprisingly great.
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#30I really liked my windows phone. The colourful live tiles and the physical design were great. What it lacked was 3rd party apps.
Lacking 3rd party apps was more of a symptom than a root cause in my opinion.
Instead of being scrappy and trying to do whatever it took to gain marketshare in an area they were behind in they put a ton of limitations on their platform and it tanked adoption because the people who were willing to switch and try something new were by definition people who were going to be frustrated with this behavior.
Things like not supporting multitasking or apps running in the background, blocking all exes from even being downloaded, not giving access to the underlaying file system, categorically blocking applications like video game emulators, restricting the ability to tether your phone, etc.
Yes there wasn't third-party app support and yes their maps sucked but I think both of those would have been fixed over time if they didn't take a super arrogant big brother approach to the operating system.
Example of what I'm talking about: http://i.imgur.com/JfFiuO4.png
