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The City of Seattle accidentally gave me 32M emails for $40 (2018)

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Re: The City of Seattle accidentally gave me 32M emails for $40 (2018)

#22
The most interesting part of this story is the potential legal risk of holding onto the records that were improperly disclosed.

Had the author not notified the city that they had royally screwed up by divulging far more sensitive information than they had realized, they likely would have never realized the error, and he would have been free to do whatever he liked with the data.

But once he notified them of their error, and they realized that the data was now in the hands of someone who should not have been given access to it, there is an interesting legal question about whether he has the right to keep it.

If this were physical property, or money, then there is a lot of case law around what happens when you find yourself in possession of something that was given to you by what was clearly a mistake. If a car dealer accidentally drops off a new car at your address, but later realizes it was intended for another address, you don't get to keep the car. Likewise, if $100,000 shows up in your bank account because it was mistakenly deposited there, that's gonna get clawed back.

But what about data? Mere information? I think there is a pretty good legal argument that there are categories of data (e.g. trade secrets) that a person can be ordered not to possess. So I think the author made the right call by agreeing to cooperate with the city's request, even if it was the city's own colossal error that put him in that position.

Nevertheless, it would have been nice for the city to reward him for his bringing the issue to their attention, rather than immediately trying to threaten him if they didn't help clean up their mess.

Re: The City of Seattle accidentally gave me 32M emails for $40 (2018)

#23
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government probably has outsourced this to the only company which bid based on some "anti-corruption" or "fair-trading" rules which were passed. There is of course no way to hold that outsourced company to account.

If you actually read the story, this was directly with Seattle's IT department.

bradley13's local agency was Seattle's IT department?

Re: The City of Seattle accidentally gave me 32M emails for $40 (2018)

#27
If you can't load the blog:

- He FOIA'd all metadata of emails to and from the City of Seattle.

- The city IT department pushed back, saying that their policy was to hand-review each email for privacy, and this was 32m emails.

- They later acquiesced and just dumped all of the meta-data into files and sent it over

- They didn't realize email-preview was also meta-data, which included the first 256 char of each email.

- OP informed them that had now committed a very grievous data leak.

- The city fixed the issue and legally pursued OP to ensure the data was deleted.

All say, I am glad I am not a civil servant. The job seems awful.

Re: The City of Seattle accidentally gave me 32M emails for $40 (2018)

#29
post #12

What happens if he refused the lawyer request to scan his hard drive?

The article unpacks that a bit. IIUC, he did refuse the request, and purged the files and verified the purge using his own tools. With lawyers involved, the city became inclined to accept that as sufficient to protect city interests.

Had he dug in completely, the city was treating the situation as if they would bring charges under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (which I don't think precisely fits, but might have been the only leverage the city had to prevent a potential bad actor from capitalizing on their mistake).

Re: The City of Seattle accidentally gave me 32M emails for $40 (2018)

#30
post #26

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The author's email is at the bottom of their post if you need to reach them to tell them off about their failings from 5 years ago.

Its the author, and idk if the snide extra bit about informing them about their failings from 5 years ago makes any sense. This was posted today.
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