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Re: Cortical Labs: "Human neural networks raised in a simulation"

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Post by analognoise »

Kon5ole wrote: post #120
analognoise wrote: post #109

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You know the difference between 40 million and a billion dollars? A billion dollars. We have a dystopia now with billionaires and their private space companies, buying newspapers, tracking our every move. We'd have LESS of a dystopia if we prevented them in the first place.

>We have a dystopia now with billionaires and their private space companies, buying newspapers, tracking our every move. We'd have LESS of a dystopia if we prevented them in the first place. History teaches us the opposite. The worst dystopias are the ones where you have only one billionaire who also controls the military, and that is inevitably what happens when you try to limit the number of billionaires. The best…

>History teaches us the opposite. The worst dystopias are the ones where you have only one billionaire who also controls the military

Explicitly not what I, or anyone else, is suggesting.

Or it could be that billionaires, being able to live anywhere, choose nice places to live - while not paying their fair share and contributing to the current situations we have now.

We don't want, or need, billionaires and we should stop that kind of ridiculous accumulation of wealth. Make stock buybacks illegal again, make the top marginal tax rate 70%, and make things work for workers (and not global capital).

Again, stop carrying their water.

Re: Cortical Labs: "Human neural networks raised in a simulation"

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Post by Kon5ole »

analognoise wrote: post #121
Kon5ole wrote: post #120

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>We have a dystopia now with billionaires and their private space companies, buying newspapers, tracking our every move. We'd have LESS of a dystopia if we prevented them in the first place. History teaches us the opposite. The worst dystopias are the ones where you have only one billionaire who also controls the military, and that is inevitably what happens when you try to limit the number of billionaires. The best…

>History teaches us the opposite. The worst dystopias are the ones where you have only one billionaire who also controls the military Explicitly not what I, or anyone else, is suggesting. Or it could be that billionaires, being able to live anywhere, choose nice places to live - while not paying their fair share and contributing to the current situations we have now. We don't want, or need, billionaires and we should…

>Explicitly not what I, or anyone else, is suggesting.

To be fair you hadn't suggested anything except "Billionaires shouldn't exist" yet, which is a sentiment that so far in history has only achieved dystopian results. How is your plan different?

Taxing and limiting the influence of billionaires and ensuring that workers are not exploited unfairly are fine suggestions. We can add prevention of monopolies and cartels to the list as well, but that's still a very different idea from "Billionaires should not exist".

I'm not carrying any water for anyone, you have just failed to make a persuasive argument for your position.

Re: Cortical Labs: "Human neural networks raised in a simulation"

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Post by sparrowInHand »

BoxOfRain wrote: post #47
sparrowInHand wrote: post #3

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To be honest, i thought it would first go the other way around. To many billionaires afraid of death, trying to encode there mindstate-personality into a machine and become semi-imortal.

I think there's a good reason that trying to cheat death and meeting a grim end as a result is such a common trope in mythology. Even in ancient times I think people generally recognised the profound harm refusing to accept the inevitability of death does to a person.

Your appendix burst 20 years ago, your comment is invalid. The gods willed it.

Re: Cortical Labs: "Human neural networks raised in a simulation"

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Post by ChatGTP »

OttoVonBizark wrote: post #70
ChatGTP wrote: post #59

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If you weren’t conscious when asleep, how do you explain dreams and memories? I’ve read about high level meditators who were “aware” they were asleep too. Not sure why they’d make this up.

yeah normal sleep is a bad example of rebooting. heavy general anaesthetic is a better example

You conscious thoughts might be asleep but some part of you is still "there" and operating or else you wouldn't be able to wake up and remember anything?

Re: Cortical Labs: "Human neural networks raised in a simulation"

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Post by Dave3of5 »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #118
Dave3of5 wrote: post #75

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> From a computational standpoint, they both manipulate states and store data. Ignoring the metaphysical question is really frustrates me when people treat the brain as just a more complex version of a computer. The human brain and a silicon based computer are two vastly different things you can't and should not compare them.

If we can simulate the same software as in the brain, then the hardware is less relevant.

The brain doesn't run software it's an organ inside the body.

If you mean can we simulate a brain inside a computer the answer is no we can't it's unlikely that we can without building something similar to the brain which is why this product is a thing.

The physicality is important here.

Re: Cortical Labs: "Human neural networks raised in a simulation"

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

Dave3of5 wrote: post #126
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #118

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If we can simulate the same software as in the brain, then the hardware is less relevant.

The brain doesn't run software it's an organ inside the body. If you mean can we simulate a brain inside a computer the answer is no we can't it's unlikely that we can without building something similar to the brain which is why this product is a thing. The physicality is important here.

The brain very much does run a type of software. Yes, it's an organ, but the analogy to hardware and software is apt. That's like saying a BIOS doesn't run software it's a chip on a motherboard.

Re: Cortical Labs: "Human neural networks raised in a simulation"

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Post by ben_w »

Aerbil313 wrote: post #107
bratbag wrote: post #82

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Daily backup with a final scan after death, if possible. Then your mind is booted into a simulation from your memories, instead of being booted into your pillow from your memories. Functionally not much different to waking up after loosing some time from being blackout drunk.

You are still dead tho. That thing is a clone of you. Nothing can help this fact.

Our language can't fully represent the possibility, as it doesn't currently exist and language is learned by mutually shared experiences upon which we then agree terminology.

If you make a backup of my mind every midnight, and at noon one day biological-me faces death, that's still death for noon-me, while also being a way to cheat death from the point of view of the me from 12 hours before.

Restoring your computer from a backup doesn't mean the hard drive never failed, but it is does get you data back.

Re: Cortical Labs: "Human neural networks raised in a simulation"

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Post by ben_w »

arethuza wrote: post #94
caskstrength wrote: post #78

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But once they pay $$$ and turn on the uploaded consciousness won't they be like "Hey, why I'm still here in my meat body and not in Amazon Brain Cloud(c)"?

Just don't make the mistake of going for the "Unlimited" option in ABC... Edit: I wonder if cloud brain emulators would censor inappropriate thoughts?

> I wonder if cloud brain emulators would censor inappropriate thoughts?

Now you mention it, I'd be surprised if they didn't, given the efforts cultures go to to keep people's inner demons at bay.

Re: Cortical Labs: "Human neural networks raised in a simulation"

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Post by Aerbil313 »

ben_w wrote: post #128
Aerbil313 wrote: post #107

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You are still dead tho. That thing is a clone of you. Nothing can help this fact.

Our language can't fully represent the possibility, as it doesn't currently exist and language is learned by mutually shared experiences upon which we then agree terminology. If you make a backup of my mind every midnight, and at noon one day biological-me faces death, that's still death for noon-me, while also being a way to cheat death from the point of view of the me from 12 hours before. Restoring your computer f…

No, our language is perfectly capable of expressing this simple fact: When you die you die, no matter how many clones or backups of you are up and running.
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