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OpenAI Finally Allows ChatGPT Complete Internet Access

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Re: OpenAI Finally Allows ChatGPT Complete Internet Access

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Post by simonw »

zachthewf wrote: post #17
simonw wrote: post #13

I've been relatively unimpressed with the ChatGPT browse mode. My problem with it is that it seems to run really obvious, naive searches. Most of the time I ask it something, then see what it's searching for and think "oh no, that's not going to return anything more useful than what I could have found myself". It's also pretty slow. I'm very much looking forward to having a search assistant which can go ahead and wad…

Have you tried perplexity.ai? It has become my go-to for LLM + browsing. It is really fast and does a pretty good job with retrieval and summarization.

Not in a few months, I should spend more time with that

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Post by dwaltrip »

simonw wrote: post #13

I've been relatively unimpressed with the ChatGPT browse mode. My problem with it is that it seems to run really obvious, naive searches. Most of the time I ask it something, then see what it's searching for and think "oh no, that's not going to return anything more useful than what I could have found myself". It's also pretty slow. I'm very much looking forward to having a search assistant which can go ahead and wad…

Agreed. Its memorized knowledge generally seems to be better than its interpretation of a few web search results, often significantly so.

Analyzing and interpreting new information is harder than regurgitating what one already knows, so perhaps this isn’t surprising.

Even gpt-4, as amazing as it is, has quite limited analyzing, reasoning, and interpretation capabilities, compared to skilled humans.

Of course, the fact that we have to even ask this question is kind of unbelievable…

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Post by simonw »

senectus1 wrote: post #15
i_k_k wrote: post #9

So this means it can actually do things now, at least in principle, right?

Not according to ChatGPT a few seconds ago Default (GPT-3.5) User do you have access to search the internet yet? ChatGPT I do not have the capability to search the internet or access real-time information. My knowledge is based on the text that I was trained on, and my training only includes information up until September 2021. I can provide information and answer questions to the best of my knowledge up to that date…

Asking ChatGPT about its own capabilities rarely returns useful results.

Its training data predates its creation, and the model doesn't get updated every time they ship a new feature for it.

See also: https://simonwillison.net/2023/Mar/22/dont-trust-ai-to-talk-...

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Post by lsedgwick »

senectus1 wrote: post #15
i_k_k wrote: post #9

So this means it can actually do things now, at least in principle, right?

Not according to ChatGPT a few seconds ago Default (GPT-3.5) User do you have access to search the internet yet? ChatGPT I do not have the capability to search the internet or access real-time information. My knowledge is based on the text that I was trained on, and my training only includes information up until September 2021. I can provide information and answer questions to the best of my knowledge up to that date…

Please don't paste ChatGPT or BARD answers as HN comments in general? In this specific case, no, LLMs don't reliably know about themselves. They're trained on a big corpus of internet text, then trained by rough reinforcement learning to say and not say certain things about themselves, then given a little more information about themselves in system prompts.

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Post by wordpad25 »

zachthewf wrote: post #17
simonw wrote: post #13

I've been relatively unimpressed with the ChatGPT browse mode. My problem with it is that it seems to run really obvious, naive searches. Most of the time I ask it something, then see what it's searching for and think "oh no, that's not going to return anything more useful than what I could have found myself". It's also pretty slow. I'm very much looking forward to having a search assistant which can go ahead and wad…

Have you tried perplexity.ai? It has become my go-to for LLM + browsing. It is really fast and does a pretty good job with retrieval and summarization.

ChatGPT, Claude and prepexity are each $20/mo

Chatgpt4 seems most powerful but Claude offers unlimited context which can be used to summarize entire books

Prepexity can browse and summarize web

Which one should I subscribe to?

Re: OpenAI Finally Allows ChatGPT Complete Internet Access

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Post by worthless-trash »

rolisz wrote: post #10
stingraycharles wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes no sense. It’s still automated and not an actual human, and it’s still distilling information from the internet.

Your browser is also automating things, you're not resolving DNS and writing all the http requests by hand.

I have found the next topic for my blog post.

Challenge accepted!

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Post by civilitty »

simonw wrote: post #13

I've been relatively unimpressed with the ChatGPT browse mode. My problem with it is that it seems to run really obvious, naive searches. Most of the time I ask it something, then see what it's searching for and think "oh no, that's not going to return anything more useful than what I could have found myself". It's also pretty slow. I'm very much looking forward to having a search assistant which can go ahead and wad…

It’s also pretty useless at understanding any page that’s even remotely complex.

I asked it to tell me when the next baseball home game is so I can avoid traffic when going to the downtown library and it couldn’t answer even that basic question. The search results defaulted to the team’s official calendar but the day numbers were displayed as images so they could style them in the team’s font, making them invisible to ChatGPT.

Re: OpenAI Finally Allows ChatGPT Complete Internet Access

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Post by Reviving1514 »

wordpad25 wrote: post #26
zachthewf wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried perplexity.ai? It has become my go-to for LLM + browsing. It is really fast and does a pretty good job with retrieval and summarization.

ChatGPT, Claude and prepexity are each $20/mo Chatgpt4 seems most powerful but Claude offers unlimited context which can be used to summarize entire books Prepexity can browse and summarize web Which one should I subscribe to?

Kagi ultimate is 25 a month and has Claude, GPT4, and AI web search. Been using it a month or so and it's great.
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