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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by Thiez »

xdennis wrote: post #155
logicchains wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance Imagine if Russia manages to annex most of Ukraine, and converts the rest of Ukraine into an open-air prison. If twenty years later the people in that part of Ukraine manage to gather weapons and launch a counter-attack on Russia, wouldn't that count as resistance?

Your analogy is wrong because Jews were there before Arabs. It's like saying that Cherokee would be colonizers if they moved to North Carolina, which is their original homeland before they were forced to move to Oklahoma (the Trail of Tears).

I suppose you refer to the relatively short period that Israel existed almost 3000 years ago? And we're just conveniently forgetting about all the people who lived there before and after that?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by mns »

logicchains wrote: post #15
refaelv wrote: post #12

Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians, yes you'r supporting terrorism.

>Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians Numerically speaking the IDF have killed a lot more civilians than Hamas. As have the US for that matter, literally hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq.

Maybe if nations and groups of people would just stop trying to destroy Israel as a state and kill jewish people out of pure hatred, we wouldn't be in this situation.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by bawolff »

hef19898 wrote: post #128
bawolff wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Numerically speaking the IDF have killed a lot more civilians than Hamas. As have the US for that matter, literally hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq. I don't know why "numerically" matters. There is a big difference morally between someone accidentally killed while persuing a legal military target, and intentionally gunning down a rave or children at a day care.

Civilian infrastructure and housing are decidedly no legitimate milotary targets. Never have been, and this makes air power such a bad choice when fighting insurgencies, it is to indiscriminate.

Whether or not it is a legit legal military target depends on if it is being used for a military purposes and how "porportional" the military benefit of targeting it is relitive to the civilian damage targeting it would cause.

The idea that if someone converts a house into an ammunition store depot it can never be targeted ever under international law is just straight up wrong.

Of course how that translates to what is being done on the ground is very complex. Which is why numerically approaches are wrong - you have to put every incident in appropriate context to judge it

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by qingcharles »

I was once investigated for terrorism by Special Branch in the UK in about 1996.

They came to my parent's house at a weekend to question me. I'd just happened to have gone home for the weekend to see my folks. I was running perhaps the largest warez site on the Internet at the time, so I thought I was super busted.

The detective sat me down and said to me, "What do you know about a plot to kill the President?" and I burst out laughing, mostly out of relief. He stares daggers at me and says "You're not taking me very seriously, are you Mr Charles?"

Luckily he did not detain me. We came to the conclusion that one of the hundreds of people I'd given an account to on one of my Linux servers had sent a death threat to president@whitehouse.gov. Apparently it contained information about the president's movements that was "not well known."

I never saw the email, but the detective called me on the day they were going out to pick Kushil up. I'd given him an account a few months previously so he could play MUDs and download porn. Seemed like a really nice guy. The detective read the end of the email to me over the phone, "Come get my ass you bastards," it said, and then had his address and map co-ordinates to his house.

Nobody ever saw Kushil again after that.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by dudefeliciano »

dmantis wrote: post #151
jeroenhd wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get sort of a hidden volume by messing with the alignment of a LUKS partition as well. However, it may not be very smart to do this. Law enforcement aren't dumb, they'll see the signs of your hidden partition, and you can end up in prison for up to two years for your little stunt. Unless you're hiding something much more incriminating, cooperation is probably your best bet.

I think the most self-respectful and secure way is to have some encrypted cloud in a jurisdiction which doesn't cooperate with the country you afraid of. Wiping all data from the device and restoring it back after border control. Hidden partition are definitely more dangerous. Also if these people took your device out of your view point, you need to sell the device and buy a new one before restoring anything.

but this still requires trusting a third party to not change their policies, or to not be hacked or coerced into releasing the data and a myriad other options that a state-backed actor has at their disposal

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by permo-w »

dash2 wrote: post #143
marcus_holmes wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. As we predicted when the UK proposed these monstrous laws: they are being abused to go after anyone who annoys the establishment. That'…

I'm from the UK, and my instant reaction is that this is an evidence-free conspiracy-theory. If you have anything to back it up, other than vibes, feel free to say so.

your "instant reaction" is just as unhelpful as the proscribed "vibes"

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by denton-scratch »

ImaCake wrote: post #106
kossTKR wrote: post #83

As a sidenote has anyone else been surprised by the extreme political iron-fist and omnipresent media control to side with Israel? When talking to colleagues, family, and even my Israeli friends there's a plurality of opinion, sadness, serious discussions, but when looking at mainstream media, even relatively moderate it seems like everyone and their grandma is screaming for bombs and are "tired of the stupid poor pa…

Are you in the USA? Apparently the american media is particularly pro-israel. I am in Australia and find the media is very pro-israel but is happy to also say that israel’s actions are unsavory. I understand that Europe is much more balanced than Australia on this one.

> I understand that Europe is much more balanced than Australia on this one.

I'm in the UK. It depends what you mean by "balanced". What I'm seeing on TV news has been changing. At first, they didn't try to link Hamas to terrorism. They've been berated by Israelis for that; so now every time they mention Hamas, they add a clause like "Hamas, an organisation that is proscribed in the UK and many other countries for terrorism".

Apart from that, the "balance" I'm seeing is a kind of passive-aggressive pseudo-balance. For example, they do report statements from Israeli leaders calling for the expulsion of all Palestinians from Gaza; in some cases, favourably (as if moving two million people from Gaza into refugee camps in the Sinai desert is a sensible compromise). So, they express hope that Egypt will open the border at Rafah, which is exactly what these Israeli extremists want.

There's no serious questioning or investigation of the claims from the IDF or Israeli government. You just see lots of wailing grandmas (in Israel and in Gaza), which seems to be the MSM's standard way of reporting conflicts these days. So it's war-porn.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by bawolff »

logicchains wrote: post #125
bawolff wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to imagine very hard to consider gaza to have been annexed. You could make an argument for "occupied" (although that in itself is debatable post 2005), but "annexed" does not make sense. For those not familiar with background context of why i say post-2005, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_G...

>You have to imagine very hard to consider gaza to have been annexed Israel didn't annex Gaza, it (via the UK) annexed Palestine upon its creation, with Gaza and the West Bank being the land that remains un-annexed.

That makes even less sense.

To annex something means to add it to an existing state. Israel by definition can't annex something before it exists.

The UK controlled the area at the time, but they basically gave up and left. I don't understand how you could say they were annexing it at this point in time either.

Israel is closer to being a succesor state to mandatory palestine than anything else. Generally international law recognizes the right for ethnic groups to self-determination (Palestinians often rightly complain that they effectively have not had this in the modern period, but the right applies to both sides). It is not considered annexation for a group from one state to split off and form a new state via self-determination.

To give a comparison, i think your argument would be the equivalent of saying ukraine annexed russia because they unilaterally left soviet union.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by jules-jules »

refaelv wrote: post #12

Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians, yes you'r supporting terrorism.

By that logic, the following applies, too.

> people forget (or likely don’t even know) that, when Israel was not yet in a position of asymmetric power and secure statehood, Israeli paramilitaries often committed terror attacks which are indistinguishable from what we have seen Hamas do in recent decades. Deir Yassin, the King David Hotel Bombing, al-Husayniyya Safad, and so on. Now they do not have the need for such acts, when high tech bombing and artillery barrages, international legal sanction, highly trained police, are available. Beheading children and setting off car bombs at shopping centers looks bad internationally, and there’s little reason for it when you are the one with a “legitimate” state. But Israel got to that position in part by using methods indistinguishable from Hamas. Granted, one will say— that wasn’t Israel, it was the Irgun, or the Palmach, or some particular militia: more extremist factions of the Zionist movement. But it’s the same for Palestine. What is the great difference between the Irgun and Hamas, except in terms of success? Israel still engages in extreme brutality, and have even abetted on the ground massacres since the 1970s, but usually in ways that extricate themselves from the same level of responsibility (whether by setting up Lebanese militias to do their dirty work, or by allowing massive Palestinian casualties to be categorized as collateral damage). I can recognize that civilians being killed by artillery in a war zone is categorically different than civilians being assaulted, tortured, raped and executed by ground forces. But the crazy thing that’s forgotten is that Israeli forces did use those same tactics, when it’s situation and power position was more desperate, and it’s reputation not yet based on maintaining the appearance of civility.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by bawolff »

hef19898 wrote: post #115
bawolff wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia is in “armed resistance” after throwing the first punch? I mean, russia did make that claim, in essence that they were resisting nato expansion. In fact i would say its a pretty common thing across many conflicts. The side that starts the conflict usually tries to shift blame (whether legitly or not) to the other side because its bad PR to be seen as the side starting shit. This particular conflict is comple…

The Hamas attack was as despicable as they get. As far as terror attacks go, it is right up there with 9/11. As is Israels reaction.

In case its not clear, i agree. Actually i think it was much worse than 9/11.

If the international community cared about international law the ICC would be issuing warrants against hamas for crimes against humannity.

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