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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by logicchains » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:08 PM UTC

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #152

logicchains wrote: post #139

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Wrong. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/israel-shows-raw-footage...

So a bunch of journalists from pro-Israel publications claim to have seen videos of what the Israel Defense Force claim were atrocities committed by Hamas that day, yet no videos of these atrocities are available publicly. Surprising given how many people have phones capable of recording video, and how many videos there are of gruesome scenes from the bombings on the Palestinian side.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by pipo234 » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:09 PM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #136

marcus_holmes wrote: post #59

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The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. As we predicted when the UK proposed these monstrous laws: they are being abused to go after anyone who annoys the establishment. That'…

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I see why that sentence is considered over the line, but in context it does not sound like he's endorsing another holocaust.

> To be entirely plain.

> I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation.

> But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.

> If that is a crime, send me back to jail.

https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051...

I think he's clearly very angry and upset about the violence inflicted upon Gaza population and it's difficult to keep heads clear and calm.

But let's not jump from "armed resistance" to "another holocaust".

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by dash2 » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:10 PM UTC

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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by animuchan » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:10 PM UTC

TheDong wrote: post #17

8organicbits wrote: post #6

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> I volunteered that I thought I understood the tweet that worried them and agreed it could have been more nuanced. This was the limitation of twitter. It was intended to refer only to the current situation within Gaza and the Palestinian people’s right of self-defence from genocide. The only clue I see is the reference to a tweet. Anyone know which tweet this could refer to? Sounds like advocating violence, with a p…

It is likely the following tweet: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... > I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation. > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.

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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by kmlx » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:11 PM UTC

alistairSH wrote: post #162

enoch_r wrote: post #70

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The author tweeted the following ( https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... ): > To be entirely plain. > I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation. > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support. > If that is a crime, send me back to jail. I think this is pretty clearly s…

Ah, well that's a bit more clear. I don't agree with what he said. But, it also doesn't strike me as terrorism itself or outside the bounds of free speech (at least as we know it in the US, which isn't quite the same as in the UK). [I don't have a Twitter account, and try to avoid the site since access seems to be hit-or-miss since Musk took over]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

> PROSCRIBED TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS

> Proscription makes it a criminal offence to:

> belong to or invite support for a proscribed organisation;

> arrange a meeting in support of a proscribed organisation; and.

> wear clothing or carry articles in public which arouse reasonable suspicion that an individual is a member or supporter of the proscribed organisation.

i think he broke the first rule.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by sideshowb » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:11 PM UTC

Joker_vD wrote: post #113

sideshowb wrote: post #88

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TBF it's not supposed to be a direct democracy. You can start a campaign. They can bring about change, in the long run. If a think tank was campaigning for something you didn't like, I bet you'd be first to complain about it...

Of course, for all of that you need money, and quite a lot of money, and where are you going to get it in such large amounts? Eh, I dunno, I am not a politician myself and lobbying and corporate donations probably have nothing to do with that.

From others who support your campaign. Yeah, it does suck that money == power. IMO representative democracy isn't a problem, but corporate lobbying is.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by maksimur » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:11 PM UTC

dash2 wrote: post #163

logicchains wrote: post #154

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Anti-Israeli at best. I didn't see the word Jewish.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by logicchains » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:12 PM UTC

dash2 wrote: post #173

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>Israel tries not to kill civilians

And yet they've killed way more civilians then Hamas has. But that doesn't matter, because it's okay when our side does it?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by logicchains » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:14 PM UTC

dash2 wrote: post #150

logicchains wrote: post #49

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>What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance Imagine if Russia manages to annex most of Ukraine, and converts the rest of Ukraine into an open-air prison. If twenty years later the people in that part of Ukraine manage to gather weapons and launch a counter-attack on Russia, wouldn't that count as resistance?

I cannot believe I have to say this. No, beheading children and torturing them in front of their parents is not a "counter-attack", nor is it "resistance". This statement is actively evil.

>No, beheading children and torturing them in front of their parents

There's absolutely no evidence this happened.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 1:15 PM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #136

marcus_holmes wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. As we predicted when the UK proposed these monstrous laws: they are being abused to go after anyone who annoys the establishment. That'…

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Given recent events, I consider support for Hamas to be on extremely shaky moral ground, and in very poor taste. Still, I don't think that verbal support for Hamas calls for investigation. (Material support? Sure, investigate that.)