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Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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What one posts on public social media sites is public . Is this surveillance?

Collecting and judging everything is. It's legal sure - perhaps because it's new that it can be done at scale (aside from the old East Germany). And it's because it's new that it's a question now worth asking. I mean it was always done for political reasons. See CIA / FBI dossiers (and harassement) of people they didn't like. Again not at scale and not of everyone before even any reason to not like anyone.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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> The scope and depth of this surveillance has led to growing skepticism about the Department’s priorities and resource allocation. Lol. That about sums it up. Whenever a dystopian UK government surveillance thread makes it to the front page of HN I generally try to remind people of two things: 1. This will not make headlines in the UK. 2. People in the UK do not care about privacy. The fact that the person they spok…

"An Englishman's home is his castle" used to be a well known saying. We once did, but it looks like times have changed for the worse.

Growing up, people used to respond to challenges to what they said with "it's a free country". I haven't heard that phrase in decades.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Simple FOI request to find out how much the program is costing. I doubt it’s cheap.

The Ministry of Truth intervenes in FOI requests: > In 2020, the openDemocracy website published a report on the FOI Clearing House. The report described the Clearing House as "Orwellian" and found that it requires government departments to send it requests that are potentially sensitive or too expensive to answer. The report also found that the Clearing House sometimes requires departments to provide it with drafts…

A chap I know worked for comms at a government-adjacent state-funded org - he mentioned the same thing there. They just have an internal performance metric of around 80% of FOI requests they should answer, and they use the remaining 20% for awkward or expensive queries.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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People conspiring to raise up hatred of an individual, and people of the same mind in HR departments green lighting the acquiesence to that hatred, is the problem. Someone shouting a swear word at me while killing me is unpleasant, but I'll allow it. It's the killing that's the problem.

That kind of depends on the individual and what they're doing, no?

Not the individual, no. Only what they're doing.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Anyone that brings up this factoid instantly gives away the true depth of their knowledge. The US and China have over twice as many CCTV cameras per person than the UK does. https://www.precisesecurity.com/articles/top-10-countries-by...

And vast majority of CCTV cameras in the UK are privately owned and are not part of the state surveilance aparattus. Try having your car stolen in London, despite there being several cameras visible on every corner police will tell you(truthfully) that they don't have access to any of them.

I'm sure if that car had a sticker on it saying where Charles 3 belongs, the police would have suddenly gained access to those cameras and tracked the car with sub-millimeter precision.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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post #125

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And vast majority of CCTV cameras in the UK are privately owned and are not part of the state surveilance aparattus. Try having your car stolen in London, despite there being several cameras visible on every corner police will tell you(truthfully) that they don't have access to any of them.

I'm sure if that car had a sticker on it saying where Charles 3 belongs, the police would have suddenly gained access to those cameras and tracked the car with sub-millimeter precision.

I know, it's weird like that

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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post #47

What one posts on public social media sites is public . Is this surveillance?

Yes. It’s data collected from public sources of information but it is surveillance.

It may be legal, it may be public information, but this is a government collecting information on its citizens: government surveillance.

Consider the effects:

> Government monitoring of social media can work to people’s detriment in at least four ways: (1) wrongly implicating an individual or group in criminal behavior based on their activity on social media; (2) misinterpreting the meaning of social media activity, sometimes with severe consequences; (3) suppressing people’s willingness to talk or connect openly online; and (4) invading individuals’ privacy.

Now if you’re cool with those effects, rock on. I’m not keen.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/soci...

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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It's certainly chilling to have confirmed what I've long suspected is being done. If OpenAI are scraping public tweets for their LLM then it's hard for me to believe this government isn't also scraping for their own power and control. Perhaps unsurprisingly this seems to be about as high quality as the track & trace system that looted £37 billion from the tax payer [0]. It makes one think about the importance of anon…

> the track & trace system

Test & Trace.

Track & Trace is for parcels.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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I remember getting in arguments like a decade ago with British people who insisted that their lack of actual rights didn't matter and it was actually better to have privileges bestowed upon them by decree of their Queen as chosen by God. I wonder if any of them think differently now.

At this risk of offending American (?) sensibilities.....

In Blighty, sarcasm and piss taking are part of entry level conversation. I kindly suggest this is something you clearly missed when 'arguing with British people'.

(The American habit of writing "/s" to signal sarcasm looks distinctly odd to a Brit, as of course it is sarcasm, otherwise they would not have written something so obvious.)

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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But that activism is free speech itself always funny when the free speech absolutist gets mad when people use free speech to cancel someone

Yes it’s free speech, I think the issue here is that companies care what their employees say about politics outside of work, enough to fire them if they find out. Not really in the spirit of free speech.

It's not so much that the companies care about the individual 'wrongthinkers', they're worried about what the activists could do to the reputation of their company/brand.

The activist behaviour is close to blackmail - 'punish this person for us now, or we'll hurt your company'.

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