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Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Post by gambiting »

IshKebab wrote: post #74
brnt wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CCTV capital of the world for a decade or two was an indication perhaps.

Anyone that brings up this factoid instantly gives away the true depth of their knowledge. The US and China have over twice as many CCTV cameras per person than the UK does. https://www.precisesecurity.com/articles/top-10-countries-by...

And vast majority of CCTV cameras in the UK are privately owned and are not part of the state surveilance aparattus. Try having your car stolen in London, despite there being several cameras visible on every corner police will tell you(truthfully) that they don't have access to any of them.

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Post by zimpenfish »

kypro wrote: post #61

> The scope and depth of this surveillance has led to growing skepticism about the Department’s priorities and resource allocation. Lol. That about sums it up. Whenever a dystopian UK government surveillance thread makes it to the front page of HN I generally try to remind people of two things: 1. This will not make headlines in the UK. 2. People in the UK do not care about privacy. The fact that the person they spok…

> 1. This will not make headlines in the UK.

That probably needs some qualification since it was the Guardian which broke the story (and the prequel story two weeks prior) and that's two headlines right there.

If you check the front page of The Observer for 2023-10-01[1], the prequel ("Education ministry keeps secret files on critics of schools policy") is fully a third of the front page. Which is also a headline.

[1] https://www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk/observer-front-page-2023-1...

(Oddly, no-one seems to have The Guardian front page for 2023-09-30 that I can find.)

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Post by pydry »

hermitcrab wrote: post #90
deadfish wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need for hope. At this point surely it is a given?

The UK Labour Party have a long history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. And Starmer, while a much better human being than any of the current Tory leadership, appears to be lacking in political instincts.

He's no different : https://skwawkbox.org/2023/03/02/starmers-labour-abstains-on...

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Post by varispeed »

ipaddr wrote: post #4
varispeed wrote: post #2

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You need to read the article before you comment. They include the source material: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/21/uk-governme... What evidence are you using to tar and feather the guardian with your false conspiracy theories?

I forgot to add /s

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Post by Symbiote »

some_random wrote: post #63

I remember getting in arguments like a decade ago with British people who insisted that their lack of actual rights didn't matter and it was actually better to have privileges bestowed upon them by decree of their Queen as chosen by God. I wonder if any of them think differently now.

They were obviously joking, it was probably funny to watch an American (?) believe all that.

More seriously, more people should be concerned about the Conservative party's disdain for the Human Rights Act and suggested intention to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights: https://www.theguardian.com/law/human-rights-act

(So you'll see the UK does have a list of rights, but like everything else it's a normal law that can be changed by Parliament in the usual way -- there's no special constitutional law requiring more effort to change, and/or a special court to uphold it.)

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Post by Symbiote »

kypro wrote: post #61

> The scope and depth of this surveillance has led to growing skepticism about the Department’s priorities and resource allocation. Lol. That about sums it up. Whenever a dystopian UK government surveillance thread makes it to the front page of HN I generally try to remind people of two things: 1. This will not make headlines in the UK. 2. People in the UK do not care about privacy. The fact that the person they spok…

> 1. This will not make headlines in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/21/uk-governme...

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Post by grecy »

rudasn wrote: post #56
injidup wrote: post #47

What one posts on public social media sites is public . Is this surveillance?

Dunno... If I followed you around while in public and recording everything you said and did, in public, is that surveillance?

It is very much legal, and law enforcement don't need a warrant to do so.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Post by anigbrowl »

robertlagrant wrote: post #72
partitioned wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that activism is free speech itself always funny when the free speech absolutist gets mad when people use free speech to cancel someone

People conspiring to raise up hatred of an individual, and people of the same mind in HR departments green lighting the acquiesence to that hatred, is the problem. Someone shouting a swear word at me while killing me is unpleasant, but I'll allow it. It's the killing that's the problem.

That kind of depends on the individual and what they're doing, no?
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