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Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by Tommstein »

askonomm wrote: post #6
eimrine wrote: post #3

> You will need a payment card to cover the EUR 7 fee. You can use a variety of online payment options to pay the fee. And no cash options?

People still use cash in the modern world? I haven't needed it in years. Don't know anybody else either (Estonia).

You should be aware that Estonia is a tiny country and not representative of the other 99.99% of the world (albeit in a good way; I'm not from there but have informed many people it's probably the most advanced country in the world as far as domestic life).

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by dzhiurgis »

schube wrote: post #60
askonomm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People still use cash in the modern world? I haven't needed it in years. Don't know anybody else either (Estonia).

From the information I could gather the only payment option is debit/credit card. If this is accurate it looks particularly exclusionary to me because one cannot expect each and every one of the 1.4 billion (according to the linked page) affected people have or can have a bank account. Also this creates unwritten requirements to traveling to the EU: 1. You must have a bank account. 2. Mastercard/Visas/$otherPaymentPr…

I'm sure friends or travel agent can pay for you? And if anyone in the embassy has any shred of empathy (they tend to as they deal with lost people all the time) I'm sure they would too.

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by dzhiurgis »

anonyfox wrote: post #67
vidanay wrote: post #64

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When I visit Germany, I am astounded at how many of my German coworkers dislike fresh air in the office. A beautiful 25c sunny day with a nice breeze, and I opened the window near my desk. Within five minutes, someone has closed it and given me a dirty look (no, the air conditioning is not on.)

yeah, many people here actually believe that you get sick when you're in an air stream. Like between two open windows, or within an AC. But then go home and work in their windy garden for hours.

In Lithuania it's also:

* drafts as you mentioned will get you a stiff neck (and absolutely it's not your crappy pillows)

* going outside with wet hair

* not wearing scarf, hat and gloves outside whenever there's slightest weather imperfection

* not wearing socks and slippers indoors, despite being heated to comfy 22.5C

* air conditioning, heat pumps, electric heating or any sort of fan blowing directly at you

* getting your feet cold and wet

* just merely breathing cold air indoors

bonus:

* treating feverish infant by wrapping them in additional layers and bedsheets

This is shared across most intellectuals. Likely more embedded than some of the human rights we cherish in west. My family screamed, nearly disowned and accused me of "killing" my kids because of above. Even many in medical field believe this, tho actual doctors will say it's horseshit when pushed. And, no, the actual words from doctors mouth has never changed their view either.

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by dzhiurgis »

throw0101a wrote: post #89
GracefullyBlind wrote: post #86

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Don't compare the process of going online and filling out a form to applying to an actual visa in a consulate

> Don't compare the process of going online and filling out a form […] Going online and filling out a form is exactly how you get a visa for (e.g.) NZ: * https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/preparing-...

All my visas in NZ had to be done via post which was somehow superior experience to using Lithuanian e-government (which are basically extremely hard to access web forms designed pre-mobile era which just lands and some clarks email inbox who will then say "yeah nah you still need to come visit us in the office")

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by throwaway81348 »

Teever wrote: post #50
setgree wrote: post #42

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The fact that the US did it first doesn’t make it reasonable. Both policies can be bad on their own terms, and either way, the costs will almost entirely be borne by people who had nothing to do with drafting the US policy in the first place.

What course of action do you suggest the EU take if not this one? What is the correct solution to this problem?

Same thing they always do: issue a declaration of deep concern!

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by boffinAudio »

askonomm wrote: post #15
patrickk wrote: post #11

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A huge percentage of daily life in Germany (Europe's biggest economy) and Austria is conducted in cash. https://www.bundesbank.de/en/press/press-releases/payment-be...

Well Germany isn't really considered modern by northern EU standards, as would most northern EU citizens tell you. Don't know about Austria however.

You can go cashless in Austria if you want to.

You can also go cash-only in Austria, if you want to.

Austria is one of those rare places in the Free World where personal agency and responsibility are still, relatively, extant throughout society ..

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by mk89 »

mk89 wrote: post #98
patrickk wrote: post #75

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> In Germany you can pay by card basically anywhere - with the phone or watch as well in most/many shops as far as I know. This simply isn't true, outside of large chains or supermarkets. Many smaller businesses like pubs, "kiosks", barbers, non-chain restaurants, and so on, are cash only. It's a combination of tax avoidance and trying to avoid the insane level of paperwork needed for bascically every aspect of life,…

> This simply isn't true, outside of large chains or supermarkets. Many smaller businesses like pubs, "kiosks", barbers, non-chain restaurants, and so on, are cash only. I have a different experience. I pay by card even for My recommendation, though, is to always have some cash on you, especially if you don't know where you're going. But I would do the same in any other country in the world.

> especially if you don't know where you're going.

I meant: if you're not familiar with the place you're going to, or which way to take, etc.

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by currysausage »

eddtries wrote: post #66
currysausage wrote: post #51

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When the payment terminal asks the EMV chip on your payment card for tag no. 5F20, it will be told the Cardholder Name [1]. That, in connection with your PAN [2], is a pretty stable identifier. (Not if you are using prepaid cards, obviously.) [1] https://emvlab.org/emvtags/show/t5F20/ [2] https://emvlab.org/emvtags/show/t5A/

What if I pay with my phone? That’s pretty common in the Nordic countries (Swish)

Apple/Google Pay also implement the EMV standards, so at least in theory, it shouldn’t make a difference. In practice, I don’t know and I can’t check, unfortunately. It’s possible that they chose not to implement this particular tag.

I did query the chip on my plastic MC Debit and it definitely reveals my name.

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by slau »

mk89 wrote: post #98
patrickk wrote: post #75

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> In Germany you can pay by card basically anywhere - with the phone or watch as well in most/many shops as far as I know. This simply isn't true, outside of large chains or supermarkets. Many smaller businesses like pubs, "kiosks", barbers, non-chain restaurants, and so on, are cash only. It's a combination of tax avoidance and trying to avoid the insane level of paperwork needed for bascically every aspect of life,…

> This simply isn't true, outside of large chains or supermarkets. Many smaller businesses like pubs, "kiosks", barbers, non-chain restaurants, and so on, are cash only. I have a different experience. I pay by card even for My recommendation, though, is to always have some cash on you, especially if you don't know where you're going. But I would do the same in any other country in the world.

In Denmark, I can count the days I've had cash on me in the last decade on one hand.

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

patrickk wrote: post #75
mk89 wrote: post #49

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In Germany you can pay by card basically anywhere - with the phone or watch as well in most/many shops as far as I know. Not sure all this criticism makes sense (no I am not German). There are also historical reasons why Germans are concerned about the possibility of being tracked, which apparently not everyone sees the dangers of.

> In Germany you can pay by card basically anywhere - with the phone or watch as well in most/many shops as far as I know. This simply isn't true, outside of large chains or supermarkets. Many smaller businesses like pubs, "kiosks", barbers, non-chain restaurants, and so on, are cash only. It's a combination of tax avoidance and trying to avoid the insane level of paperwork needed for bascically every aspect of life,…

Many smaller businesses like 'kiosks' acting as sort of post office for all the parcel services now, where you can get or send your packages(except letters). Meaning they have the infrastructure for cashless anyways. Like non-chain restaurants and so on, also do.

Source: lived in Germany, at the outskirts of a large metro area, still visiting every few weeks to months into my own appartment, which I didn't abandon.

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