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Re: Cleveland launches plan to provide cheap broadband

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Would it make sense for the municipality to own the pipes that run in the city ? Like some cities own the sewer pipes. Could it be an infrastructure that the city builds, owns, maintains and rents to ISP ? The city would have a full control on how many houses are connected. That is the type of investments that a city is suited for (i.e. large upfront cost financed by bonds). AT&T, Charter, Comcast, they have no incen…

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Re: Cleveland launches plan to provide cheap broadband

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Imagine that: company gets free money from the government to do such-and-such thing but isn't strictly required to do it, then they take the free money and don't do the thing. It's almost like corporations are self-interested and un-altruistic.

I don't know why you'd be railing against the company here for acting in it's best interest (exactly as you'd expect) rather than the state for giving away money with no strings attached. A private business sure as hell wouldn't be so foolish as to sign such a contract.

I think you misread the parent comment, I'd say they are blaming the government for not covering their "investments" legally, same as you.

Re: Cleveland launches plan to provide cheap broadband

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I just moved back to Cleveland, and I signed up for Cleveland Broadband (clevelandbroadband.com), which is incredible! I pay $50/mo for 1 Gb/s download and upload speeds with no contract or temporary introductory pricing. The best part is the customer service, which I've only had to use twice while initially setting it up, but it's a direct line to a person who physically came to my place within an hour and was super knowledgeable! We had a lengthy discussion about Ubiquiti networking gear.

I previously had Comcast/Xfinity, which was reliable, but felt absolutely scammy due to constantly changing pricing with multi-year contracts. Talking to a human for basic tasks like upgrading or canceling service was nearly impossible. Apparently their chatbot is capable of these tasks, but I could never get it to work.

Re: Cleveland launches plan to provide cheap broadband

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> despite billions in tax breaks, regulatory favors, and subsidies, companies like AT&T have long refused to upgrade low-income and minority Cleveland neighborhoods to fiber. There is a very easy solution to this. Electric utilities should be required to lay fiber along with electric. They can choose to offer internet (better) or offer fiber with a choice of carriers. EPB in Chattanooga has been providing fiber to ho…

If the municipality owns the poles and the power company this is comparatively easier. In places that own both, like Traverse City in Michigan, Chattanooga TN, or Longmont CO, this model can be incredibly effective. The problem, at least in my part of the world (Michigan) is that most municipalities do not own the poles or the power company. The power company is instead a large publicly traded corporation, albeit wit…

Add Carroll County, GA to this list. Carroll EMC which covers three counties on the border of Georgia and Alabama overlapping I-20 (all three counties Carroll, Haralson, and Heard) are getting "on pole" fiber provided by the electric company.

Re: Cleveland launches plan to provide cheap broadband

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Yep. It's messed up.

I'd love to hear the rationalization for this one

The wording could be more clear. Written another way:

"a public entity may provide telecommunication services within its boundaries after issuing a request for competitive sealed bids to provide telecommunication services and receiving less than 3 qualified bids from private providers."

If you get enough bids, the assumption is that the price is competitive and therefore it's cheaper to use a private company and not have the gov't itself do the infrastructure work.

Re: Cleveland launches plan to provide cheap broadband

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post #33

I just moved back to Cleveland, and I signed up for Cleveland Broadband (clevelandbroadband.com), which is incredible! I pay $50/mo for 1 Gb/s download and upload speeds with no contract or temporary introductory pricing. The best part is the customer service, which I've only had to use twice while initially setting it up, but it's a direct line to a person who physically came to my place within an hour and was super…

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Re: Cleveland launches plan to provide cheap broadband

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If the municipality owns the poles and the power company this is comparatively easier. In places that own both, like Traverse City in Michigan, Chattanooga TN, or Longmont CO, this model can be incredibly effective. The problem, at least in my part of the world (Michigan) is that most municipalities do not own the poles or the power company. The power company is instead a large publicly traded corporation, albeit wit…

In Michigan only telecommunications companies, power companies, cable companies, and municipalities can be on the poles. So, an Internet only company is excluded. Michigan also has one of the most unique laws here. A municipality needs to put out an RFP to build the broadband network. If it gets three or more qualified bids it cannot proceed.

How is internet not a subset of telecommunications?

Re: Cleveland launches plan to provide cheap broadband

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Would it make sense for the municipality to own the pipes that run in the city ? Like some cities own the sewer pipes. Could it be an infrastructure that the city builds, owns, maintains and rents to ISP ? The city would have a full control on how many houses are connected. That is the type of investments that a city is suited for (i.e. large upfront cost financed by bonds). AT&T, Charter, Comcast, they have no incen…

Part of me likes this approach, but another part of me is hesitant putting the local government in control of all of the network infrastructure. It could conceivably allow local officials to turn it all off during a protest or something; similar to what we saw during the Arab Spring events.

Re: Cleveland launches plan to provide cheap broadband

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post #25

Would it make sense for the municipality to own the pipes that run in the city ? Like some cities own the sewer pipes. Could it be an infrastructure that the city builds, owns, maintains and rents to ISP ? The city would have a full control on how many houses are connected. That is the type of investments that a city is suited for (i.e. large upfront cost financed by bonds). AT&T, Charter, Comcast, they have no incen…

That's what they do here in Utah: UTOPIA (the municipality) runs its own fiber lines, and leases its network to private ISPs. That way, there is a single physical network with competitive pricing.

Of course, that doesn't stop Comcast, Centurylink, Google Fiber, etc. from running their own networks, and UTOPIA's coverage generally doesn't overlap where these other ISPs already have infrastructure.

Re: Cleveland launches plan to provide cheap broadband

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Would it make sense for the municipality to own the pipes that run in the city ? Like some cities own the sewer pipes. Could it be an infrastructure that the city builds, owns, maintains and rents to ISP ? The city would have a full control on how many houses are connected. That is the type of investments that a city is suited for (i.e. large upfront cost financed by bonds). AT&T, Charter, Comcast, they have no incen…

In my part of the globe the city is in the process of finishing installing fiber ducts to all addresses in the city (currently around 3.5M people) and ISPs run microfiber to any residential area, event apartment buildings. The effect is that you can get service from whatever provider you want without the hassle of "we don't have the infrastructure to do it". ISPs rent the fibers on a per distance price, but it is pretty much negligible.

When I say installing fiber ducts, I mean trenches with ducts that have exits on every address. And the microfibers are blown through those and you have a fiber optic cable to your door.

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