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Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring using the Guardian as a source for now..... If any of us openly criticised our employer on social media what would we expect? A round of applause?

> If any of us openly criticised our employer on social media what would we expect? A round of applause? We do not expect our employers to start files on us. We do not expect them to do it when they are desperately short of cash and morale is low We expect them to acknowledge there are problems (there are) and show some humility

Low on cash. There’s a difference between not having the cash and just refusing to spend it on education.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Wrongthink must be stamped out! Seriously, what kind of dystopia are UK politicians trying to create? Also, that's a lot of tax money that could, I dunno, be used to improve the schools?

Different meanings of "improve", I guess.

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Remember this is “keeping files on posts that criticise education policies” — tracking political dissenters who don’t like the government’s policies but have done nothing wrong or illegal. While we’re off focusing on encryption debates and the online safety bill, the UK government isn’t waiting around. Just what is “accredited technology”? As defined in that bill, and how much does encryption play a role when monitor…

Meanwhile, when groups of activists surveil dissenters/wrongthinkers on social media, actively make lists of them and try to get them fired or worse for their speech/thoughts, many still defend that as 'perfectly reasonable consequences of unacceptable speech'

The problem is hypocrisy - UK government applied pressure to universities and other institutions to stop DE platforming, but itself bans industry experts from conferences when they disagree with government ministers.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Wrongthink must be stamped out! Seriously, what kind of dystopia are UK politicians trying to create? Also, that's a lot of tax money that could, I dunno, be used to improve the schools?

> Seriously, what kind of dystopia are UK politicians trying to create?

One where they constantly talk about conservative values of freedom while creating the most oppressive anti-protest laws and government surveillance in the western world.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Wrongthink must be stamped out! Seriously, what kind of dystopia are UK politicians trying to create? Also, that's a lot of tax money that could, I dunno, be used to improve the schools?

AFAIK a lot of the depictions of dystopias are based on the UK government as opposed to the other way around. For example Terry Gilliam and George Orwell. The machinations were more overt in those times and a return to these dystopian circumstances is a more of a reversion to the mean than anything new or unique.

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Just like Russia. I wish the UK would spend a bit less effort trying to provoke and fight Russia to the death and a bit more effort trying not to become Russia. I also wish that wasn't a controversial opinion.

> a bit more effort trying not to become Russia.

I frequently tell people we are becoming like Russia, and they get worked up. Then I ask them why the "Russia report' was supressed and they get even more worked up

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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it is critical for national security and public order to monitor the activity of subversive elements. These 'teaching assistants' may well be spies for foreign governments or unwitting pawns manipulated by those governments. As a democracy, UK government represents the will of the people. The government and the people are one

I for one think this does not go far enough. Teachers have access to children, and so we should monitor children as well. Whike they may not tweet, we should involve investigators to catalog what words and babyspeech the children say, their tastes in toys, how they arrange their blocks and perhaps even their food preferences. While tracking the food preferences of every toddler across the UK may be involved, we must…

It is really difficult to create parody now, no matter how absurd it is, someone will think this is a good idea and an instruction manual.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile, when groups of activists surveil dissenters/wrongthinkers on social media, actively make lists of them and try to get them fired or worse for their speech/thoughts, many still defend that as 'perfectly reasonable consequences of unacceptable speech'

Everyone across the spectrum does it. It's a way of reinforcing the power of a particular political camp. There's a way to fix that though, make it very difficult to fire people. Then companies will need to be incredibly clear about what conditions they're choosing to terminate under.

The United Kingdom is not a state in the United States.

Re: UK government surveilling social media of teaching assistants

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Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of everyday routine, the security of the familiar, the tranquillity of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, whereby those important events of the past, usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, are celebrated with…

That’s the stupid speech from the movie.

The actual speech, from the comic:

Good evening, London. I though it time we had a little talk.

Are you sitting comfortably?

Then I’ll begin…

I suppose you’re wondering why I’ve called you here this evening.

Well, you see, I’m not entirely satisfied with your performance lately… I’m afraid your work’s been slipping, and…

…and, well, I’m afraid we’ve been thinking about letting you go.

Oh I know, I know. You’ve been with the company a long time now. Almost… let me see. Almost ten thousand years! My word, doesn’t the time fly?

It seems like only yesterday…

I remember the day you commenced your employment, swinging down from the trees, fresh-faced and nervous, a bone clasped in your bristling fist… “Where do I start, sir?” you asked, plaintively.

I recall my exact words: “There’s a pile of dinosaur eggs over there, youngster,” I said, smiling paternally the while.

“Get sucking.”

Well, we’ve come a long way since then, haven’t we? And yes, yes, you’re right, in all that time you haven’t missed a day.

Well done, thou good and faithful servant.

Also, please don’t think I’ve forgotten about your outstanding service record, or about all your of the invaluable contributions that you’ve made to the company…

Fire, the wheel, agriculture… It’s an impressive list, old-timer, a jolly impressive list. Don’t get me wrong.

But… Well, to be frank, we’ve had our problems, too. There’s no getting away from it.

Do you know what I think a lot of it stems from? I’ll tell you…

It’s your basic unwillingness to get on within the company. You don’t seem to want to face up to any real responsibility, or to be your own boss.

Lord knows, you’ve been given plenty of opportunities…

We’ve offered you promotion time and time again, and each time, you’ve turned us down.

“I couldn’t handle the work, guv’nor,” you wheedled. “I know my place.”

To be frank, you’re not trying, are you?

You see, you’ve been standing still for far too long, and it’s starting to show in your work…

And, I might add, in your general standard of behaviour.

The constant bickering on the factory floor has not escaped my attention…

…nor the recent bouts of rowdiness in the staff canteen.

Then of course there’s…

Hmm. Well, I didn’t really want to have to bring this up, but…

Well, you see, I’ve been hearing some disturbing rumours about your personal life.

No, never you mind who told me. No names, no pack drill…

I understand that you are unable to get on with your spouse. I hear that you argue. I am told that you shout. Violence has been mentioned.

I am reliably informed that you always hurt the one you love…

…the one you shouldn’t hurt at all.

And what about the children? It’s always the children who suffer, as you’re well aware.

Poor little mites. What are they to make of it?

What are they to make of your bullying, your despair, your cowardice and all your fondly nurtured bigotries?

Really, it’s not good enough, is it?

And it’s no good blaming the drop in work standards upon bad management, either…

…though, to be sure, the management is very bad.

In fact, let us not mince words… The management is terrible!

We’ve had a string of embezzlers, frauds, liars and lunatics making a string of catastrophic decisions. This is plain fact.

But who elected them?

It was you! You who appointed these people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you!

While I’ll admit that anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after century seems to me nothing short of deliberate.

You have encouraged these malicious incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles.

You have accepted without question their senseless orders.

You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous and unproven machines.

You could have stopped them.

All you had to say was “No.” You have no spine. You have no pride. You are no longer an asset to this company.

I will, however, be generous.

You will be granted two years to show me some improvement in your work. If at the end of that time you are still unwilling to make a go of it…

you’re fired.

That will be all. You may return to your labours.

Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible.

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