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Woman wins 12-year legal battle against Google

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That's quite literally Uber's business model for large parts of the world. It's rather sad that these kind of "businesses" aren't just banned and prosecuted as criminal conspiracies. I really think that's the appropriate classification for an organisation that goes in to a country, sets up a business it knows is illegal, stokes up violence, and reaps in profit (well, "profit", because it still doesn't actually make a…

> stokes up violence What now?

From https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jul/10/uber-files-leak...

Amid taxi strikes and riots in Paris, Kalanick ordered French executives to retaliate by encouraging Uber drivers to stage a counter-protest with mass civil disobedience.

Warned that doing so risked putting Uber drivers at risk of attacks from “extreme right thugs” who had infiltrated the taxi protests and were “spoiling for a fight”, Kalanick appeared to urge his team to press ahead regardless. “I think it’s worth it,” he said. “Violence guarantee[s] success. And these guys must be resisted, no? Agreed that right place and time must be thought out.”

The decision to send Uber drivers into potentially volatile protests, despite the risks, was consistent with what one senior former executive told the Guardian was a strategy of “weaponising” drivers, and exploiting violence against them to “keep the controversy burning”.

It was a playbook that, leaked emails suggest, was repeated in Italy, Belgium, Spain, Switzerland and the Netherlands.

Re: Woman wins 12-year legal battle against Google

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That's just a lazy meme take, there's obviously a documented process to request removal of content from their products, including Search. https://support.google.com/legal/troubleshooter/1114905?sjid...

The request process is indeed easy enough. Now, if you also expect it having results, guess what.

The GP's complaint was about not being able to notify Google at all, not at not getting the right outcome. I'm pretty sure submissions to that form will have (trained) human eyes on them after some trivial spam filtering, it's not just redirected to /dev/null.

As for whether one could expect results, there are stats on how often this functionality is used in the EU (about 200k requests per year) and how often it is successful (about half the requested URLs are delisted):

https://transparencyreport.google.com/eu-privacy/overview?hl...

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It's not so much "be careful with your UI" as "when you're actually notified that your UI is treading on somebody, you better stop (treading on that particular person)".

But how can you notify Google of anything? Even when you report an important bug, bots and "product experts" just shrug it off. The only "notification" for Google is a lawsuit it seems.

GDPR's "Right to be forgotten" has been a thing for 5 years now, this isn't a new concept:

https://support.google.com/legal/answer/10769224?hl=en

This doc explains the tools available and links to a "Personal Data Removal Request Form". Now, what they do with that in non-EU territories is another question.

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But how can you notify Google of anything? Even when you report an important bug, bots and "product experts" just shrug it off. The only "notification" for Google is a lawsuit it seems.

If a few people pursue a lawsuit against them I'm pretty sure they'll get more responsive. TBH Google is notoriously awful to communicate with - I don't know if you've ever dealt with one of their B2B products but they even hate talking to companies that pay them 10k a year.

They also hate talking to people who manage $200K per month advertising budgets. Even at that level advertisers just get very low wage support staff in India who can't do much.

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And the court needed 12 years for this? Really?

My rudimentary understanding of law is that there are a lot of "procedural" elements that expensive lawyers can fiddle with in order to delay the case (and try to make the plaintiff give up).

It's not necessarily that the decision was conceptually difficult. Altho it might be! I don't know anything about the case.

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Chrome has had a bug for ~6 months where for certain TLDs, it searches instead of going to the typed url. It happens for .no. Google isn't incentivized to fix it, since they now most likely get a visitor on their search page and earn some money. Combined with a different issue, this is fairly dangerous: Google allows fake scam websites to pay to get the top ad. Above the URL you ended up searching for. There are case…

Chrome has a public bug tracker. I can't find any bug report for your issue. Please post a link to your bug report, otherwise it seems like you didn't even try.

Why should I try? I don't use Chrome. I don't care about jumping through hoops to do free work for a big scummy company. I only knew of it from news reports recently after it finally got fixed.

https://www.kode24.no/artikkel/derfor-googler-chrome-no-nett...

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It seems like under Australian law there's a concept of a "secondary publisher" of defamatory content, which would typically be a bookstore or library. So, the actual publisher, author, etc. can be held liable for defamation, but also, if the bookstore has been notified that it is selling a defamatory book and does not take it off the shelf, it too can be held liable. In this case, the woman notified Google that thei…

Well a bit more than that. The second lawsuit was about the auto-complete where ever time you searched her name it'd suggest appending "psychic stalker" to it. So it'd be more akin to every time you ordered coffee from startbucks they wrote down "Dude, Physic Stalker" on your cup every time.

I don't think that would be speech that you could sue over, in the US or Australia.

You are allowed to insult people personally, just there are restrictions if you publish defamatory speech.

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But how can you notify Google of anything? Even when you report an important bug, bots and "product experts" just shrug it off. The only "notification" for Google is a lawsuit it seems.

> Woman wins 12-year legal battle against Google > But how can you notify Google of anything? Clearly with a lawsuit. Per the other article in this thread [1], Google did nothing when she notified them but de-indexed the webpage following her initial lawsuit. [1]: https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/cases/duffy-v...

That's the most expensive way. Wonder why should it be that way?

Re: Woman wins 12-year legal battle against Google

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Chrome has a public bug tracker. I can't find any bug report for your issue. Please post a link to your bug report, otherwise it seems like you didn't even try.

Why should I try? I don't use Chrome. I don't care about jumping through hoops to do free work for a big scummy company. I only knew of it from news reports recently after it finally got fixed. https://www.kode24.no/artikkel/derfor-googler-chrome-no-nett...

Great, it has a link to the bug: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=148880...

Fix was commited 7 days after the report was filed.

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