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Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by anonyfox »

patrickk wrote: post #11
askonomm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People still use cash in the modern world? I haven't needed it in years. Don't know anybody else either (Estonia).

A huge percentage of daily life in Germany (Europe's biggest economy) and Austria is conducted in cash. https://www.bundesbank.de/en/press/press-releases/payment-be...

but we germans also severe backwards-oriented to begin with. all kinds of esoteric garbage in daily life is shared and believed in, most things of the modern world is looked at with mistrust, and so on.

the bigger/international cities like hamburg or berlin are a stark contrast however, drive like 50 miles outside of them and not much has changed during the last 100 years, except for buildings/infrastructure in general.

I carry like 20€ with me at all times for when I have to deal with these situations in an emergency, but turns out I increasingly don't need to replenish this cash in my wallet for months.

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by yuppiepuppie »

fmobus wrote: post #58
cogogo wrote: post #43

Our children are US citizens and Spanish citizens and we live in the US. When we book flights to Spain to visit family we always use their US passport details to ensure we aren’t denied boarding returning home due to lack of an ESTA. I can already imagine the inverse and an over-zealous ticket or gate agent denying boarding to Spain because of no ETIAS and not accepting the physical Spanish passport because it’s not…

I don't think what you said in the last sentence is going to be an issue. Each check-in can be handled separately: you check-in to Spain with the Spanish passport, you check-in to the US with the American passport. There will probably be a box in the reservation system to say "I don't need ETIAS/ESTA"

Yeah, Im dual US/Swedish citizen, and the check in is isolated each time. I present my US passport when going to the US and my Swedish Passport when going to the EU. No biggie and never had any trouble throughout my life.

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by desert_rue »

fmobus wrote: post #58
cogogo wrote: post #43

Our children are US citizens and Spanish citizens and we live in the US. When we book flights to Spain to visit family we always use their US passport details to ensure we aren’t denied boarding returning home due to lack of an ESTA. I can already imagine the inverse and an over-zealous ticket or gate agent denying boarding to Spain because of no ETIAS and not accepting the physical Spanish passport because it’s not…

I don't think what you said in the last sentence is going to be an issue. Each check-in can be handled separately: you check-in to Spain with the Spanish passport, you check-in to the US with the American passport. There will probably be a box in the reservation system to say "I don't need ETIAS/ESTA"

The air carrier is responsible for taking the passenger(s) back if they are denied entry into a country.

So the airlines will deal with many people falsely checking the box (“I am a blank; I don’t need it!”) and remove the checkbox immediately.

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by vidanay »

anonyfox wrote: post #61
patrickk wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A huge percentage of daily life in Germany (Europe's biggest economy) and Austria is conducted in cash. https://www.bundesbank.de/en/press/press-releases/payment-be...

but we germans also severe backwards-oriented to begin with. all kinds of esoteric garbage in daily life is shared and believed in, most things of the modern world is looked at with mistrust, and so on. the bigger/international cities like hamburg or berlin are a stark contrast however, drive like 50 miles outside of them and not much has changed during the last 100 years, except for buildings/infrastructure in gener…

When I visit Germany, I am astounded at how many of my German coworkers dislike fresh air in the office. A beautiful 25c sunny day with a nice breeze, and I opened the window near my desk. Within five minutes, someone has closed it and given me a dirty look (no, the air conditioning is not on.)

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by eddtries »

currysausage wrote: post #51
eddtries wrote: post #19

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How am I giving my identity to a street vendor when I pay without cash?

When the payment terminal asks the EMV chip on your payment card for tag no. 5F20, it will be told the Cardholder Name [1]. That, in connection with your PAN [2], is a pretty stable identifier. (Not if you are using prepaid cards, obviously.) [1] https://emvlab.org/emvtags/show/t5F20/ [2] https://emvlab.org/emvtags/show/t5A/

What if I pay with my phone? That’s pretty common in the Nordic countries (Swish)

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by anonyfox »

vidanay wrote: post #64
anonyfox wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but we germans also severe backwards-oriented to begin with. all kinds of esoteric garbage in daily life is shared and believed in, most things of the modern world is looked at with mistrust, and so on. the bigger/international cities like hamburg or berlin are a stark contrast however, drive like 50 miles outside of them and not much has changed during the last 100 years, except for buildings/infrastructure in gener…

When I visit Germany, I am astounded at how many of my German coworkers dislike fresh air in the office. A beautiful 25c sunny day with a nice breeze, and I opened the window near my desk. Within five minutes, someone has closed it and given me a dirty look (no, the air conditioning is not on.)

yeah, many people here actually believe that you get sick when you're in an air stream. Like between two open windows, or within an AC. But then go home and work in their windy garden for hours.

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by askonomm »

RandomLensman wrote: post #54
askonomm wrote: post #44

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From what I've heard from people living in Germany, there very much is, but the government is afraid of change, and love bureaucracy to the point that nothing ever actually gets done or changed. That said, Estonia has been an independent country only for the past 30 years, previously under Soviet Union, and within that time we have technologically surpassed Germany in every way possible, and yet Germany, a huge econo…

You have done that with a lot of support from the outside and little legacy, but I guess time to cut EU net funding to Estonia now that you are winning. Germany has a very weird relationship with technology, and, yes, right now it is turning itself into a museum of sorts because change is not popular. Not sure there is winning if one side has no interest in going there, though.

Little legacy? I'm afraid you are not up to date on how hard it is to improve as an ex-soviet country with a large Russian population, many of them pro-Putin, who would do anything in their power to create corruption and prevent positive change

Re: New Requirements to Travel to Europe

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Post by akmarinov »

The European Commission should’ve implemented visas for the US as they require visas from some of the EU’s members.

They made Canada waive visa for all members by threatening to impose visas on Canadians, but are too chicken to do the same with the US.

The EU parliament has voted that it should be done multiple times, but the Commission refuses to act.

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