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Re: Dave Cutler on Windows [video]

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Post by sznio »

runjake wrote: post #21
mrweasel wrote: post #7

The interviewer, Dave Plummer, is also is also an amazingly interesting person in his own right. I particularly enjoyed his retro-coding videos, such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlZe2JwrJqM and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0zxIfJJLAY The videos are really interesting and his background muzak and RGB lighting puts me in a Christmas mood. He generally put Microsoft in a completely different light than I'm us…

About 3 days ago, I watched a single 10 second Short on a Soufflé from my recommendations page and since then half my recommendations are soufflé videos. This is not a joke, and “half” is pretty accurate. I’m pretty sure something is broken or YouTube added an LLM to the recommendations engine.

I watched a documentary on 9/11, on 9/11.

Half of my front page is still videos about 9/11 despite not watching a single one since.

Re: Dave Cutler on Windows [video]

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Post by Veserv »

astrange wrote: post #185
Veserv wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not see how that is relevant to my statement that formal methods, as required by the higher Common Criteria levels, do not constitute “box-ticking exercises”. Or are you arguing that these standards which require proofs of correctness are useless because proofs of correctness are much less impressive than box ticking?

They are extremely expensive box ticking exercises. Furthermore, I don't think anything except box ticking exercises exists or could ever exist. You can only write down ways to make a process worse, not better.

I know that I have more confidence in a proven compiler that is thoroughly tested over a random compiler Joe the intern slammed out, but you do not seem to think that way. That is fine, you do you.

Re: Dave Cutler on Windows [video]

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Post by kalleboo »

glhaynes wrote: post #63
mikewarot wrote: post #32

Looking back on all both Daves said, there is an extraordinary amount of attention paid to getting things done and out the door, and almost no mention of planning ahead, and actual security strategy. Its all commercial pressure to get the sausage out of the meat grinder, and keep the failures down to an acceptable level. No wonder things never get better, and never take a turn in the right direction, industry wide. I…

At the time, Windows NT was lauded for having better security than its competitors. I remember “Department of Defense C2 level security” being invoked often. It was a major selling point, though one that didn’t feel relevant for most users (in fact, lots of people felt like “why would I need this?”; it made it seem like an OS that wasn’t for “normal users”). Early ’90s conceptions of security—both what makes it and h…

> At the time, Windows NT was lauded for having better security than its competitors

But not as secure as the classic Mac OS!

https://web.archive.org/web/19991128124149/http://www.dtic.m...

> However, he said the Army has moved its web sites to a more secure platform. The Army had been using Windows NT and is currently using Mac OS servers running WebSTAR web server software for its home page web site. Unger said the reason for choosing this particular server and software is that according to the World Wide Web Consortium, it is more secure than its counterparts.

Re: Dave Cutler on Windows [video]

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Post by subharmonicon »

kalleboo wrote: post #193
glhaynes wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the time, Windows NT was lauded for having better security than its competitors. I remember “Department of Defense C2 level security” being invoked often. It was a major selling point, though one that didn’t feel relevant for most users (in fact, lots of people felt like “why would I need this?”; it made it seem like an OS that wasn’t for “normal users”). Early ’90s conceptions of security—both what makes it and h…

> At the time, Windows NT was lauded for having better security than its competitors But not as secure as the classic Mac OS! https://web.archive.org/web/19991128124149/http://www.dtic.m... > However, he said the Army has moved its web sites to a more secure platform. The Army had been using Windows NT and is currently using Mac OS servers running WebSTAR web server software for its home page web site. Unger said the…

> Unger said the reason for choosing this particular server and software is that according to the World Wide Web Consortium, it is more secure than its counterparts. According to the Consortium's published reports on its findings, Macintosh does not have a command shell, and because it does not allow remote logins, it is more secure than other platforms. The report also said the Consortium has found no specific security problems in either the software or the server.

That’s a rather dubious conclusion if based on that criteria.

Re: Dave Cutler on Windows [video]

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Post by Arainach »

subharmonicon wrote: post #43
mikewarot wrote: post #32

Looking back on all both Daves said, there is an extraordinary amount of attention paid to getting things done and out the door, and almost no mention of planning ahead, and actual security strategy. Its all commercial pressure to get the sausage out of the meat grinder, and keep the failures down to an acceptable level. No wonder things never get better, and never take a turn in the right direction, industry wide. I…

Most execs at most companies really are driven by very short-term planning and thinking, as it benefits their career to do so. They just need enough good quarters/years to justify their promotion from VP to SVP or SVP to CEO. Nobody gets blamed and punished three years after they move on to a new role for the shortsighted choices they made in their previous role. Having said that, Cutler is not one of those execs, bu…

Shipping is a feature. Nothing is ever done and nothing is ever bug free. Cutting the scope to have a complete product in finite time is the single most important part of product management.

Re: Dave Cutler on Windows [video]

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Post by ErneX »

azalemeth wrote: post #135
dist-epoch wrote: post #120

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There is an amazing video about Xbox security. It's extreme. For example the games executables are actually encrypted on the game discs, and it's almost impossible to even dump the actual binary that is running. RAM is also encrypted. Or the reason modern TPMs live inside the CPU is to prevent sniffing the TPM bus which people did on the Xbox.

The part about that video that makes me resolve to never buy an XBox is when they explicitly state that the user is considered hostile and the threat vector – hence the silicon-level DRM that requires a clean room, electron microscope, and molecular beam epitaxy to reverse (which their crypto algorithms also assume will happen, what with the whole pubkey/privkey root of trust and all...). I'd like to be treated as a…

I prefer that so we don’t get cheaters in online games for example.

Consoles are cheap too, so not a lot a money.

Re: Dave Cutler on Windows [video]

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Post by qup »

kjuulh wrote: post #102
mrweasel wrote: post #7

The interviewer, Dave Plummer, is also is also an amazingly interesting person in his own right. I particularly enjoyed his retro-coding videos, such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlZe2JwrJqM and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0zxIfJJLAY The videos are really interesting and his background muzak and RGB lighting puts me in a Christmas mood. He generally put Microsoft in a completely different light than I'm us…

I recently watched a video (2 years old video) of a guy documenting that he had participated in make a wish, and that the kid had left this world, etc. very sad video. My recommendations have been filled with nothing but cancer stories, people on their deathbed, all kinds of ailments, etc. From that single video, which was not at all related to his regular videos. I haven't watched any of them, and they just keep pou…

I'm learning rust (programming language) and I went through one playlist of intro videos...apparently I no longer have other hobbies. The DIY/woodworking stuff I've watched religiously for years has just disappeared unless I go hit the topic selector.

There's also been a big addition of "generic" videos to my feed this year--celebrity news and stuff I don't like. In the past, I had a different problem...I wanted to watch nearly every video recommended.

YouTube: It's not me, it's you.

Re: Dave Cutler on Windows [video]

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Post by 59nadir »

shiroiuma wrote: post #162
hjk_bear wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dave's Garage is a channel with genuinely interesting content and is very knowledgeable about all things Microsoft/Windows. However (I hate to be this guy) take everything he says about non Microsoft/Windows stuff with a huge grain of salt. Especially after this comment he made [1]: >" No, Windows is a closed-source operating system loved by millions. Linux is an open-source operating system which includes a binary b…

"loved by millions"? In all my years in the IT sector, I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who actually loved Windows. I've certainly seen my share of Apple fans (some people call them "cultists"), and of course plenty of Linux/FOSS devotees, but I've certainly never seen this kind of devotion in Windows users.

Honestly, if you surprised me with a computer running Windows XP I think the most immediate feeling I would feel for that computer is love. Windows 95/98 would also bring up some feelings but not as much as XP.

But yeah, "business as usual" Windows without nostalgia attached is hard to love, in my opinion. For the most part it just works decently but has a "It doesn't seem like I'm in control of my computer, really" feel to it.

Re: Dave Cutler on Windows [video]

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Post by pjmlp »

shiroiuma wrote: post #162
hjk_bear wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dave's Garage is a channel with genuinely interesting content and is very knowledgeable about all things Microsoft/Windows. However (I hate to be this guy) take everything he says about non Microsoft/Windows stuff with a huge grain of salt. Especially after this comment he made [1]: >" No, Windows is a closed-source operating system loved by millions. Linux is an open-source operating system which includes a binary b…

"loved by millions"? In all my years in the IT sector, I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who actually loved Windows. I've certainly seen my share of Apple fans (some people call them "cultists"), and of course plenty of Linux/FOSS devotees, but I've certainly never seen this kind of devotion in Windows users.

I guess you don't hang around demoscene and game developer folks.

Re: Dave Cutler on Windows [video]

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Post by pjmlp »

eviks wrote: post #177
vsnf wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not as devoted to Windows as Apple people are to Apple, but I will happily go on record and say that at least from the perspective of a user, I’m a fan of windows.

But you don't love it unlike some more devoted people?

Not the OP, however in my case while not enough to have an Apple tattoo [0], enough to have long stopped being an UNIX zealot since Windows 7 came around, fed up with "Year of Desktop Linux".

My first UNIX was Xenix in 1993, by the way.

[0] - https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/1341309

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