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Ask HN: What happened to hackerspaces?

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Re: Ask HN: What happened to hackerspaces?

#51
I was involved in makerspaces for a while. While I have not given up on them, I will admit that I have become thoroughly disillusioned with the idea.

Real estate is expensive and a makerspace should be near public transport (which will likely be closer to the city center) but should be able to to facilitate some parking and/or transfer of large items to/from a vehicle. Cheap real estate does come in varieties that support the above.

Most makerspaces carelessly target people to pay membership and nothing else. This creates a membership base that primarily goes to the space for their projects and goes home. This kind of member will drop the membership the moment they realize they can just buy the one or two machines they need and keep it at home (see techshop). This becomes a treadmill very quickly. Makerspaces need to focus on building a community of people who have the tools at home and choose to work there because is a great place to collaborate, but the problem here is that those people don’t have a ton of disposable income (or at least reliably recurring income) to spend on a membership. Leadership needs to balance the financial sustainability motive with the community sustainability one.

A makerspace staring up needs:

* to be a nonprofit

* good value for rent

* one to two years of runway in the bank

* founding members who can work from the makerspace

* a set of tools that are more difficult to have at home

* night events that happen several times per week

Basically, you need a lot of money, patience, and City buy-in helps a lot. Municipalities should be lining up to give money to people who want to manage theses sorts of community spaces, they are innovation and educational centers that can create an absurd amount of value for the relatively small investment. Usually it’s difficult to fill a community space with smart, competent people who actually want to help instead of grifters, sales people, and those who lack curiosity.

The best experiences feel like an eternal September, and the bad ones just feel like accelerated enshitification. How do you attract people that want to spend their time being part of a community and dissuade those who are looking to only consume resources? I think a lot of spaces fail because they rely too much on paying members who never become part of the community and will drop the expensive subscription when it becomes convenient for them to do so.

My vision for a makerspace is one where anyone can use it for free, you can become a member for some money, and those we want to stick around, we pay a small amount to stay. Using tools that are relatively safe should be mostly self certification. Tools that’s cause injuries or are expensive should require training or you should just send a job in (CNC mill). The actual real estate needs to be held by a trust and should be available to the makerspace as long as they are active.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to hackerspaces?

#52
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Maybe you'll get as many answers as there are hackers here but from my own perspective it seems it went the same way as all other communities. Internal strife, odd personalities, personal differences tore them apart slowly. It's not all bad. In my city it seems the hacker spaces organized by individuals were replaced by maker spaces funded and organized by the city. At least two that I know of, that are now basically…

City funded(subsidized?) maker spaces is such a great idea

I'm simplifying. Goto10 is ran by Internetstiftelsen which was a state run agency back when they were managing the .se ccTLD. I haven't really kept track of what's going on with them. Knowing Sweden it wouldn't surprise me if it's some sort of hybrid between privatized and state run.

Stapeln was organized by the city.

But all hacker spaces here can get grants from the government.

When I was involved with one, now defunct, we received teaching grants from the state. Anyone who holds workshops or educational gatherings can apply for these grants.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to hackerspaces?

#53
I spent Saturday, Sunday, and part of Friday tabling at Maker Faire for Hacker/Maker-spaces[1] and for Noisebridge[2]. With some other folks who tabled all of last weekend too.

There are many! Also, more importantly, other institutions have taken up ideas from them and offer tools and services to address the same needs. Libraries and colleges in many communities host makerspace tools, tool libraries

The maker movement has taken off, Etsy, home crafting, and sharing and selling projects at all varient of levels of polish,

Finding like-minded individuals, for all manner of interests, is possible through meetups.

I suppose, they've unbundled. I would say: look closer, they're maybe more present than ever, but in parts, and adapted in ways that best complement the psychological demographics of the places they serve.

[1]: https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/List_of_Hacker_Spaces [2]: https://noisebridge.net/

Re: Ask HN: What happened to hackerspaces?

#54

I think the finances of hackerspaces were always very brittle and Covid killed a lot of them. https://hackerdojo.org/ https://makernexus.org/ https://sudoroom.org/ https://noisebridge.net/

https://www.acemakerspace.org/

https://circuitlaunch.com/ (working hard to brand away from /makerspace/ or /hackerspace/, but serving a similar audience and purpose, in a professional/entrepreneur/business-building direction).

Re: Ask HN: What happened to hackerspaces?

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, my local library has a pretty decent makerspace in its basement, at least if you're making smaller things. These are the machines that are currently there: * Prusa 3D Printer * Hic Top CR-10 3D Printer * Ender-3 S1 Pro 3D Printer * Brother ScanNCut * Silhouette CAMEO * Silhouette Vinyl Cutter * EverSewn Sparrow X2 Embroidery Machine * Brother PE900 Embroidery Machine * Carvey CNC Desktop Fabricator * Glowforge…

Do you live in the wealthiest city in America? I've been to 11 libraries and absolutely none of them have anything on that list.

I live in a suburb of Chicago. We do directly neighbor one of the wealthiest cities in the country, though, but our city isn't particularly wealthy (it's doing fine though, and steadily growing).

Part of the reason we bought a house here is because it was close to some nicer suburbs without being terribly expensive itself (our home was just reappraised and it was determined to still be under the average existing house sales price in the US of $410k, even though it went up like 40% since last time).

We can drive twenty minutes and go to the same nice stores and restaurants that people living there can, if we wanted to.

I'm aware our local library is an outlier. There are other libraries in the area, including in that wealthy neighboring city, that don't have anywhere near as much equipment.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to hackerspaces?

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

City funded(subsidized?) maker spaces is such a great idea

It can get messy, especially because the very thing the city can offer (real estate) ends up being a political pawn. With no provision in the city’s charter to protect it, anything the city provides is going to be quick to the chopping block. The better way for a city to help is let the local library system manage the relationship or itself be the steward of the space.

This is what my municipality does. There's a maker space run out of the main library with 3d printers, CNCs, laser cutters etc. Just need a library card and to pay some usage fees for materials to access it.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to hackerspaces?

#60
What do you mean what happened? "Most are gone"? Do we live in different realities or just different places?

Every major European city I visit has its own, or multiple, nice hackerspaces. Often smaller cities as well. Most/many of them are coming out of the pandemic more enthusiastically than before.

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