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Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by Bilal_io »

ghusto wrote: post #112
denton-scratch wrote: post #107

Marriage is a legal construct; it can provide a level of security (and fairness) that isn't otherwise accessible. But as the laws change, the benefits change too. I think men marry in the hope of binding their partner; fat chance. Marriage gives the partner a claim on a big chunk of the man's assets, so it incentivizes women to divorce their husbands. The great majority of divorces are initiated by the wife. I'm not…

It's mad, no? When I ask people point blank why they're getting married, they just stare at me. Obviously part of that is because I'm being autistically rude in asking such a questions, but I haven't heard any compelling answers either.

Possibly you're not seeing the answers you're given as compelling because of your perspective. I can speak from an Islamic perspective and say that sexual relationships are considered immoral outside of marriage, so a man and woman cannot create a family and have kids unless they get married.

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Post by TerrifiedMouse »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #270
TerrifiedMouse wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s pretty much collectivism vs individualism. The West has mostly leaned towards individualism (aka “it's a free country”) while the East Asia under the influence of Confucianism is most collective. Collectivism has its downsides. It can be suffocating. Society also doesn’t always take into consideration an individual’s limitations when it comes to meeting societal obligations - a moot point in more individualistic…

The West has mostly leaned towards individualism (aka “it's a free country”) while the East Asia under the influence of Confucianism is most collective. This is ridiculous. Look at the divorce rates here: https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/divorce-rate-by-count... Mainland China has a surprisingly high divorce rate. How do you explain why Canada has a divorce rate less than one half of the United States? Japan an…

Things have changed over the decades. Those countries have become more individualistic and divorce is less taboo among the current generation than the Boomers.

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Post by kbelder »

pixl97 wrote: post #194
ghusto wrote: post #109

> Kearney's argument that children who grow up in unmarried households are fighting the odds has progressives miffed and accusing Kearney of stigmatizing single mothers I find this attitude applies to everything people don't want to hear. Anything that requires real change, effort, and difficulty seems to be met with anger and attack. It's so much easier to follow the accepted easy road of ignorance. > "I'm not prior…

The issue I have with your take on this is one of, most likely, reverse causality. I may be making a bad guess, but if I had to I feel I would get the "If these women would just stay married like a traditional relationship demands, then all these problems go away" answer from you. Now, I'll also make an assumption that you are also going to have a hard time admitting that this is a multi-generational problem caused b…

Imagining the ridiculous responses you would like your opponent to make does give you an opportunity to win arguments in your mind.

I don't imagine that kind of intellectual self-pleasuring is really convincing many other people, though.

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Post by kbelder »

pylua wrote: post #50
pleoxy wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Been doing it for more than 15 years. Where there is a will, there is a way.

You certainly can, but going by the numbers most people can’t.

>can't

Won't. Some can't, but we can't tell how many.

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Post by za3faran »

denton-scratch wrote: post #107

Marriage is a legal construct; it can provide a level of security (and fairness) that isn't otherwise accessible. But as the laws change, the benefits change too. I think men marry in the hope of binding their partner; fat chance. Marriage gives the partner a claim on a big chunk of the man's assets, so it incentivizes women to divorce their husbands. The great majority of divorces are initiated by the wife. I'm not…

> Marriage gives the partner a claim on a big chunk of the man's assets, so it incentivizes women to divorce their husbands

Mainly in the west is it unfair and broken that way. Perhaps they should look into fixing their marriage/divorce contracts.

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Post by cvccvroomvroom »

The joke was there were so many single working people my age that the only people having kids were either the very poor or those making >$400k/yr.

There's no way to meet anyone, so there's no point to think about it. Live life without worrying about it.

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Post by Racing0461 »

corethree wrote: post #187
danielschonfeld wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This question is answered in the interview. She is saying that a household with a stable long lasting relationship is what’s driving these better outcomes. She’s also saying that in America marriage (unfortunately) seems to be the only way to keep people together for a long while (long enough for a child to not experience a parade of parents by the time they are 15 according to the article). In my personal opinion. I…

Yes hyper individuality is part of it. The other part of it is gender equality. For most of human civilization genders were not equal so both sexes evolved traits that are also unequal. The most glaring trait responsible for lack of marriage is female hypergamy. Previously women being of generally unequal/lower status then men and overall a smaller pool of candidates (no online dating) would be forced to be more egal…

You'll be downvoted on this website, but you spoke nothing but facts.

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I'll sum this up.

The female's mating strategy is the dual mating strategy (genetics vs resources). Historically women had to find some balance in this (should i marry the prince or the struggling artist - plot of tianic). Modern society satifies the resources side of the equation (whether that be overt welfare or covert welfare (getting a student loan + going to college + paper pushing corporate job)), leaving women the freedom to completely maximize the genetics side. The men providing the genetics side has no incentive to stick around to fulfill the resources side.

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Post by bsder »

lapcat wrote: post #38

It appears that marriage and money are inextricably bound. After all, Melissa Kearney is an economist. And of course the success of children is related to the wealth and education of their parents. The article mentions money many times: > Kearney notes that families headed by a single mother are five times more likely to live in poverty than families headed by a married couple. > Most single mothers start from behind…

> This doesn't look like a "moral" problem (family values, yadda yadda). It looks more like a monetary problem.

Lower socioeconomic classes have less resource. Less resource means children do worse. Calling Captain Obvious.

Presumably, if a father was pulling his economic weight, the mother would marry him. The issue is that a male in a lower socioeconomic class is likely not pulling his own weight due to a lack of jobs.

So, if you want more marriage, improve the job prospects for the lower socioeocnomic classes that make up big chunks of the population.

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