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Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by throwaway2037 »

danielschonfeld wrote: post #51
Retric wrote: post #2

Is it that marriage itself is beneficial or that people capable of maintaining a relationship make better parents? Divorce is significantly more common for bipolar, paranoid, and schizophrenic people for example. So I think we need to look at widows or something to control for those kinds of issues.

This question is answered in the interview. She is saying that a household with a stable long lasting relationship is what’s driving these better outcomes. She’s also saying that in America marriage (unfortunately) seems to be the only way to keep people together for a long while (long enough for a child to not experience a parade of parents by the time they are 15 according to the article). In my personal opinion. I…

U.S., Denmark, Sweden, and Finland all have roughly the same divorce rates.

Source: https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/divorce-rate-by-count...

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by randomdata »

theGnuMe wrote: post #163
bequanna wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily in the US you can choose to live wherever you want. If you’re priced out of a neighborhood, you can choose to live somewhere else. You can also choose how many and why type of cars to have, what food to eat, how much to spend on vacations, etc. Hell, you can even choose where and what you do for work! What a country! Many people will choose higher spending power with two incomes rather than take a step down t…

You are free to live any where but most people live near jobs. Great rhat you can get a 10k house in Detroit… bad cause there are no jobs.

> bad cause there are no jobs.

Yet Detroit's unemployment rate is 3.8%. For comparison, New York's unemployment rate is 4.6% and San Francisco's unemployment rate is 4.0%.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by mensetmanusman »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #86
kibwen wrote: post #6

> Kearney says she's not advocating that children live in a household filled with marital tension or where parents are unhappy or mistreating each other. Then what is the proposed solution? Pointing out the problem is the easy part. But if you want more people to be married, and if they're currently choosing not to get married, then you need to either force them to get married against their will (institutionalized sh…

The solution is to grow people in pods and raise them in barracks-creches. Our legacy biology will only continue to diverge from our environment over time.

Just rewatched the matrix, if we accomplish what you say, we are right on track to match the timeline of 2200.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by ndriscoll »

c-cube wrote: post #234
bequanna wrote: post #95

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Luckily in the US you can choose to live wherever you want. If you’re priced out of a neighborhood, you can choose to live somewhere else. You can also choose how many and why type of cars to have, what food to eat, how much to spend on vacations, etc. Hell, you can even choose where and what you do for work! What a country! Many people will choose higher spending power with two incomes rather than take a step down t…

> You can also choose how many and why type of cars to have See that's an interesting example. In most places in the US[^1] you have no realistic choice but to have at least 1 car per adult in the household. That's not quite the full extend of choice for "how many cars" one would wish for. > what food to eat Have you heard of "food deserts"? [^1] this is false in a few places that were not bulldozed in the 1960s and…

A few years back when I worked in a downtown office in a suburban metro, my wife would often drop me off/pick me up and then she'd have the car all day. Other times I'd bike. When only one person works outside the home, you have more flexibility.

We also lived in what was barely not a food desert at that time, and we walked to the grocery store all the time. "Food desert" can mean it takes 10 minutes to walk to the store. Like for a low income urban census tract it means 0.5 miles. We go on afternoon walks 3-5x that every day.

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Post by RulerOf »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #180
soeptical wrote: post #153

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Widows/ers may have some associated confounding factors

I'm sorry to be off-topic but widows/ers just hurts my eyes. Why not use a more elegant alternative, widow(er)s? Even the uglier widow(s|ers) would be better.

I'm sure there's a style guide out there that would suggest using "The widowed."

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Post by switch007 »

stainablesteel wrote: post #160

> Where are the dads? > One of the biggest issues is that women seem to be giving up on men, particularly those without college degrees this is about what i would expect from npr it has nothing to do with welfare starting in the 1960s where you can visibly see a breakup in families by incentivizing divorce, its.... college

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Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by Retric »

hadlock wrote: post #266
Retric wrote: post #118

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Yes, because either parent could have menial issues. Especially when you include things like gambling addiction which are also linked to divorce. ~2.8% of the population has bipolar disorder. The odds that one partner at the start of a relationship is bipolar should be ~5.6%. 1% of the population is schizophrenic so ~2% of the population. We aren’t quite up to 7.6% of relationships just from those 2 groups because th…

Post a generality on HN and you're bound to get corrected by the math police. Most studies agree that bipolar disorder is not evenly distributed across the sexes. Schizophrenia is roughly equal but occurs for men before/during peak childbearing years, and for women happens after.

> Most studies agree that bipolar disorder is not evenly distributed across the sexes.

I don’t think that actually impacts the statistics here the way you think it would.

Suppose 2% of the population had X. If 1% of women had X, ~3% of men would have X and therefore ~4% of couples would.

Nailing down the differences in divorce rates, age of onset, differences in rates of relationship formation, etc are all worth considering. But my point was simply it’s significant not that I had calculated some exact number.

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Post by anon291 »

ecshafer wrote: post #252
rayiner wrote: post #231

We should do more social studies research into US subcultures that have significantly different marriage norms than the mainstream US. Mormons and Asians both have strong taboos against divorce, and also have strong rates of upward mobility (i.e. much higher odds of kids from low income households ending up as high earning adults). There is some research supporting the link, but not nearly enough: https://www.brookin…

This is one of the reasons that I think Kant's ideas on Deontology (also Confucian philosophy around relationships) is the correct one for a functioning society. There is a framework of "Right" and "Wrong" that exists outside of "Good" and "Bad". Doing what is beneficial for society, and what is expected of society is right, regardless of the Good nature of it. If society expects you to fight in a war, and you kill s…

Deontology is the typical endorsed philosophy of most Christian ethics. I only point this out because by citing confucianism you make it seem as if this philosophy has no place in the west. But it does.

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Post by anon291 »

diogenescynic wrote: post #261
curiousfiddler wrote: post #243

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Both Mormons and Asians socialize children into “do what you’re obliged to do, not what you want to do.” Wow, that's incredibly reductive. Asia has approx 4.7 billion people!

>Wow, that's incredibly reductive. Asia has approx 4.7 billion people! Asian cultures are generally more collectivistic than individualistic compared to the West.

The west used to be much more collectivist. Christianity as it's been practiced for most of history is a collective religion. The rise of individualism corresponds to the rise of atheism and agnosticism and 'nones' in the west.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by anon291 »

ghusto wrote: post #112
denton-scratch wrote: post #107

Marriage is a legal construct; it can provide a level of security (and fairness) that isn't otherwise accessible. But as the laws change, the benefits change too. I think men marry in the hope of binding their partner; fat chance. Marriage gives the partner a claim on a big chunk of the man's assets, so it incentivizes women to divorce their husbands. The great majority of divorces are initiated by the wife. I'm not…

It's mad, no? When I ask people point blank why they're getting married, they just stare at me. Obviously part of that is because I'm being autistically rude in asking such a questions, but I haven't heard any compelling answers either.

Marriage is a formal process that provides a standard framework in which two families get to know one another.

The problem with American relationships is that it deals with two people.

A marriage is the full joining of two full families. By marrying my wife, I made my uncle related to my wife's uncle, so they better kind of get along. Indeed I have a vested interest in them getting along because it benefits my children.

A wedding provides a formal and socially acceptable way for these sorts of interactions to occur. If I just moved in with my wife... What are the chances her distant cousins would meet mine? Zero, I imagine. A wedding brings them together and benefits everyone.

But most Americans don't really have extended families so I see why weddings seem strange.

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