Wow. For all the museums where I'd noticed Much less that it was wrapped up in the proliferation of democracy in the US and France.
Great Male Renunciation
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Re: Great Male Renunciation
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
All you need is that men didn't change, men had the same things in mind when choosing clothes hundreds of years ago as today. We see toady most men chooses clothes based on quality and utility. Why do you think men didn't do it back then? The main thing that changed was that back then high quality clothes were gaudy and colored, now they aren't.
> quality and utility Quality, perhaps. Utility ? I don't know. Has a dress shirt more utility than a t-shirt, or a business suit more utility than a knitted cardigan ? I think men still primarily aiming at looks and there's a lot of thoughts in the details, but not in the flamboyant and ultra expressive direction. I'd argue a lot of attention is paid to express restrain and non gay (in both the traditional and moder…
Women doesn't seem to want uniforms, they want to look different from each other, so you see a wide range of dress styles for women.
Re: Great Male Renunciation
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, It’s not about that. This was a cultural reaction to the excesses and cruelty of the French ruling classes. And both men and women changed their styles, Im not sure why they don’t mention that. No one wanted to be mistaken by a jacobin and have a bomb thrown at your lap. Women stopped imitating Marie Antoinette way before she was beheaded in the pangs of birth of the reign of terror The obvious historical paralle…
Then this would be isolated to France and you would expect things to normalize as people forgot about the revolution. But things never "normalized", men still prefer to not wear bright colored clothes. > And both men and women changed their styles Maybe in France right after the revolution, but if I look at dresses today I see all that gaudiness in female dresses but not in male.
Re: Great Male Renunciation
#94Bright colors used to be a sign of quality, everything expensive had tons of colors. Industrial revolution changed that, now bright colors are associated with cheap toys instead because they are used to cover deficiencies in the production process. So it makes sense that people who care about quality moved away from colorful things.
> So it makes sense that people who care about quality moved away from colorful things. Women’s clothing is more colorful today. I don’t think it is because women care less about quality than men.
Men tends to have less clothes but higher quality (and they wear a lot) while women tend to have thousands of clothes they wear once.
I can survive with 2-3 suits (in the 300-500 range, decent quality, but nothing crazy) in any major city in Europe and some shirts - which is what I did for years. Now, times are changing security wise and, while I would still wear a suit in London (it seems pretty common), I wouldn't in Paris - mainly because I've been attacked twice over 2 days of walking in Paris with a suit and I think wearing some baggy jumper would have meade me less of a target.
I have no clue about the states, but I'm sure there are no go area for suits there as well.
Re: Great Male Renunciation
#95Wow. For all the museums where I'd noticed Much less that it was wrapped up in the proliferation of democracy in the US and France.
Fun fact, the reason we don't tie the bottom button in a suit is an heritage to some fat English king who couldn't close his suit so people pretended it was a new fashion and it spread.
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#96The linked wiki has a suggestion that makes sense: // that men "abandoned their claim to be considered beautiful" and "henceforth aimed at being only useful". This resonates. I am around 40 and was born in Eastern Europe and the environment I grew up in was all about “man is valued as a good provider / defender “ and looks matter less for us. Obviously it’s better to be handsome than gross, but it’s better to be usef…
Pushing the idea that vanity is feminine does no good anyone.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fun fact, the reason we don't tie the bottom button in a suit is an heritage to some fat English king who couldn't close his suit so people pretended it was a new fashion and it spread.
Who is "we" in your sentence? I've never heard of this
https://www.esquire.com/style/mens-fashion/advice/a33367/how...
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Plenty of women complain about the lack of pockets in women's pants. I think women feel others' judgment about their clothing choices more sharply than men do. This isn't a personality quirk. The condemnation comes down harder on them. Look at what is happening in Iran. Women are being killed for how they choose to dress. So if women make different choices, don't ascribe this entirely to differences in their personal…
Not sure I follow. Apparently not enough women actually want pockets to make that fashion financially worthwhile at scale? Re Iran - you don’t think a man dressed out of line (eg drag) would be killed?
Also ...
> After Maryam Khatoon’s inquiry, Ayatollah Khomeini issued a legal opinion, known as a fatwa under Shi’a Islamic jurisprudence, asserting the permissibility of GAS [gender affirmation surgery] upon medical approval.
Trans women’s status in contemporary Iran: Misrecognition and the cultural politics of aberu
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/13634607231200552?i...
Re: Great Male Renunciation
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was notables and nobles clothing, so 10%? plus military. Plus all the textile workers where tint was available, so I guess quite a lot.
You think 10% of people were notable or nobles?
In fact, I'm certain that one of the French revolution trigger was notables who saw those productivity increase improve their life, then being taken away to found wars or whatever.
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#100American was looked to as the place of modernity.