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The decline of computers as a general-purpose technology (2021)

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Re: The decline of computers as a general-purpose technology (2021)

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post #109

The problem was the smart phone. With that closed platforms became the standard. Non productive hardware is now ubiquitous, most of it can't be fixed. The open risc-v tablet is the only exit from this mess. Forget ARM and X86 empires, they will only exploit you as a consume only slave. It needs working GPU and swap-able battery though!

But x86 is PC, there are ARM notebooks, smartphone is just a computer with touchscreen and telephony.

Re: The decline of computers as a general-purpose technology (2021)

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What the fuck are we doing as a society that we have such a system of perverse incentives in place?

It's called capitalism. Some confuse that with the more neutral concept of a market economy. In capitalism, individual wealth accumulation is the primary goal, not employing and paying people living wages. Since capitalism is a disequilibrium state, full employment is not expected. Busy work is part of the system.

It is not entirely correct to describe the social contract within a corporation as capitalist if you are salaried and compensation is indirectly tied to performance.

Re: The decline of computers as a general-purpose technology (2021)

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I understand this is ACM, but I would say the decline has strictly been a failure of software . Specifically, corporate IT's failure to deliver general purpose development tools usable by anyone in a company to make computers do work for them (aka programming). There's still a ton of general value that could be delivered by general purpose processors/computers. But instead, most non-programmers live in a Kafkaesque r…

Perhaps this is either:

A: Where AI comes in to do this and then the rest of her job is well.

B. Why programming should be taught as a basic subject in primary school.

Re: The decline of computers as a general-purpose technology (2021)

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post #51

ditch your phone , go back to your desktop, problem solve. Mobile has been a regression in pretty much everything except corporate profits. The focus of the article is wrong. PCs for example are not getting more specialized, they are getting new capabilities with the additional specialized gpus. As others have said the problem does not lie in processors, but on the software and UI, which has been steadily dumbing dow…

PinePhone has a lot software releases, postmarketOS has plenty of supported hardware.

"Dumbing down" is a necessity for extended demographics, that's trend from long ago.

Article explains reality, predicts proliferation of specialized hardware. For example was sound ever viable on CPU? GPUs were specialized, become more universal with compute, extended with video encoders, RTX, DLSS.

Re: The decline of computers as a general-purpose technology (2021)

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post #56
post #3

I understand this is ACM, but I would say the decline has strictly been a failure of software . Specifically, corporate IT's failure to deliver general purpose development tools usable by anyone in a company to make computers do work for them (aka programming). There's still a ton of general value that could be delivered by general purpose processors/computers. But instead, most non-programmers live in a Kafkaesque r…

Hypothetically, if she figured out how to automate it on her own, would she get any kind of reward for it? If not, why should she automate it? Another example, if there’s some repetitive task that you automate at a software dev job, would you get rewarded for figuring out how to automate it? The answer is obviously dependent on culture, at my current gig you just get brushed off Seems to me like you’re assuming that…

"assuming the economy incentivizes efficiency"

In the long run it does. Today's stupid rich people are tomorrow's "my grandfather was x and now I'm middle class"

Happens more and faster than you think.

Economic disparity metrics suffer from selection bias.

But beyond that I think that attitude come from misunderstanding and confusing an ideal of "fairness" with efficiency.

Efficiency and fairness are far and away not the same thing.

Autocracies, for example, can be very efficient.

The same applies to economic competition. Scams and cons are efficient. Crime is efficient. Corruption... All are very efficient at redistributing wealth. So government is needed to enforce fairness.

But when it comes to the example problem here of adding excess value to a low-value job, the efficiency of the market is usually acting at the level of the firm, rather than within it.

People are naturally lazy, and for most people, the imagined ungratefulness of a company paired with an inflated view of their own value causes them to not even try and certainly not persist at innovating.

Re: The decline of computers as a general-purpose technology (2021)

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post #104

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Realistically that reward is going to be: 1. more work 2. nice words and then more work 3. nice words, more work and then she is asked to do the same for another person's task who is then fired Sorry to be cynical here, but it is very rare for managment to reward the few people that do a better than good job with more free time or less work.

I believe dingi is perfectly aware of the realistic outcomes, and is instead describing the normative ones, i.e. what you need if you want an enterprise that actually self-improves, where the best employees aren't actively looking for the door whilst concealing things from management. It is, however, wholly a management problem to find those actually-rewarding rewards. Crazy idea: what if employees retained IP of any…

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Re: The decline of computers as a general-purpose technology (2021)

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post #109

The problem was the smart phone. With that closed platforms became the standard. Non productive hardware is now ubiquitous, most of it can't be fixed. The open risc-v tablet is the only exit from this mess. Forget ARM and X86 empires, they will only exploit you as a consume only slave. It needs working GPU and swap-able battery though!

What difference does the ISA make in this respect?

Very little, broad stroke RISC ISA was nailed between 6502 and ARM-1 (1975-85), conclusion is 32-bit is enough for eternity. Same with IPv4, just add a byte for the internal mask (/24) and be done with it, long (64-bit) is way overkill... and IPv6 choose 128-bit. I say 4GB RAM per process is enough.

Competition (also eternal growth) only works when you have infinite free energy. Now we are at the end of the curve, current Risc-V (64-bit) is not perfect by any means (lacks vector/SIMD), BUT it removes the real morons (lawyers and "owners") from the picture somewhat.

The practical evidence is: Vision Five 2 software is going forward fast, the GPU is stalled for some reason, probably related to Imagination (PowerVR dumped by Apple and bought by the Chinese governement) being British, but who knows.

Pinetab-V uses the same chip (JH7110) so it's also grid locked by the GPU drivers. TH1520 also uses Imagination GPU but a bit beefier, that one will have more trouble since the CPU is a new architecture and the JH7110 uses the same as the SiFive Unmatched.

I tried to help by building my 3D MMO engine for them. I sent the profiling data, they wanted to see the OpenGL call stack and I lost hope because it works on ALL machines I have tried (PC Nvidia/Radeon, Raspberry 4 and Jetson Nano).

I mean they have the game executable right there a 10MB download away?

Popcorn time at the end of the world, at least I tried.

Re: The decline of computers as a general-purpose technology (2021)

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post #161

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> There should be a Tell HN that is just an 800-comment-long thread full of these stories because I love them. As gratifying as they are, they get repetitive. Once you've heard one, you've heard them all. I'd much rather hear about the place that fixed a policy problem that was blocking such progress in the first place. Software is easy, getting people (and orgs) to change is hard, tedious, boring, but absolutely nec…

I agree that software is easy, and managing (human) processes is hard. Just the other day I advocated for a Free Management Foundation [1], in the same vein as the Free Software Foundation. Anyone care to spend their life on that? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37968979

For some reason that reminded me of the professor I had for administrative law in law school. He was a member of something called the Administrative Office of the United States Courts or something like that. Their entire job was to be a government run think tank that produced reports about government administration.

He really, really loved administrative law.

Re: The decline of computers as a general-purpose technology (2021)

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post #77

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Look at all the other classes people are already sitting through for high school and not learning anything either. What makes you think this one would be any different? Already around the world high schools all have something highfalutin like 'teaching critical thinking' in their curriculum.

Literacy rates in the US are pretty high I think, compared to where we were before k-12 schooling became standard. And most people can do basic arithmetic, right? The goal, I think, to start should be to get to the point where an office of 10 or so people has at least one or two who can string together basic scripts.

> Literacy rates in the US are pretty high I think, compared to where we were before k-12 schooling became standard.

'Post hoc ergo propter hoc.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

By and large, kids from well-off parents were always more literate, and they still are. And the US is a lot richer now than it used to be.

Re: The decline of computers as a general-purpose technology (2021)

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at all the other classes people are already sitting through for high school and not learning anything either. What makes you think this one would be any different? Already around the world high schools all have something highfalutin like 'teaching critical thinking' in their curriculum.

> What makes you think this one would be any different? Because unlike almost all other classes, that one would be immediately beneficial in daily life , in a direct and apparent way.

Basic scripting abilities would be beneficial years later for the subset of the kids who become office drones.

I would agree with your assessment about 'immediately beneficial in daily life', if you were talking about a course offered to adults who are already working a white collar job.

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