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Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Is it that marriage itself is beneficial or that people capable of maintaining a relationship make better parents? Divorce is significantly more common for bipolar, paranoid, and schizophrenic people for example. So I think we need to look at widows or something to control for those kinds of issues.

Obligatory note that it’s unethical to do a real control experiment at society wide levels, so we will never untangle causation/correlation.

natural experiments to the rescue!

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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This question is answered in the interview. She is saying that a household with a stable long lasting relationship is what’s driving these better outcomes. She’s also saying that in America marriage (unfortunately) seems to be the only way to keep people together for a long while (long enough for a child to not experience a parade of parents by the time they are 15 according to the article). In my personal opinion. I…

Europe has a better social safety network and wants people to have more kids.

> and wants people to have more kids.

That doesn't seem to be the case. The last 60 years saw plenty of anti family propaganda (same like in the US) and the numbers confirm that trend.

The only people keeping the number of kids per family high are immigrants from Africa / Middle East who haven't been indoctrinated for 60 years.

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Do you live in an area with high international demand for housing? Not all of the US is a hot spot for high paid immigrants, yet. Displacement is a real thing. Not everyone can change states or nations to make the finances work out.

Luckily in the US you can choose to live wherever you want. If you’re priced out of a neighborhood, you can choose to live somewhere else. You can also choose how many and why type of cars to have, what food to eat, how much to spend on vacations, etc. Hell, you can even choose where and what you do for work! What a country! Many people will choose higher spending power with two incomes rather than take a step down t…

You are free to live any where but most people live near jobs. Great rhat you can get a 10k house in Detroit… bad cause there are no jobs.

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> Ages ago, I worked at a school for boys, and one could pretty much map negative trats of the parents to corresponding unsocial behaviours on the part of the child. My parents were both teachers, and it was a very commonly held belief among teachers that you could predict a kid's academic outcome reasonably well by simply learning about their parent(s) behaviors and home life. Kids' academic achievement has little t…

I strongly agree with this, but it is an inconvenient truth because everyone wants to search out good policy in the domain space to improve outcomes. That is unfortunately extremely challenging, as you can't fix broken parents. You end up having to design systems to clean up the mess after kids turn into adults, because there are limited mechanisms to encourage better behavior from suboptimal parents. (did a sustaine…

> but it is an inconvenient truth because everyone wants to search out good policy in the domain space to improve outcomes

Just because something defines 90% of the result, it doesn't mean you must just give-up and not work on that remaining 10%.

The same applies to the luck vs. hard work problem people keep missing the point about.

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Is it that marriage itself is beneficial or that people capable of maintaining a relationship make better parents? Divorce is significantly more common for bipolar, paranoid, and schizophrenic people for example. So I think we need to look at widows or something to control for those kinds of issues.

From the article: > In the U.S., she says, unmarried adults who decide to live together do it for a much shorter duration than in Europe. Children in many of these households are more likely to experience two or three parental partnerships by age 15. Its a stability thing.

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Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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> Kearney says she's not advocating that children live in a household filled with marital tension or where parents are unhappy or mistreating each other. Then what is the proposed solution? Pointing out the problem is the easy part. But if you want more people to be married, and if they're currently choosing not to get married, then you need to either force them to get married against their will (institutionalized sh…

You don't get it, maternity leave and socialized childcare is the devil talking. The downfall of society is because the liberal agenda to brainwash our our women and kids, the former with feminism making them think they can do things other then be homemakers, and the latter because those families with working women have to send their kids to childcare where they're taught collectivism, normalized sexual deviancy, and…

People might not feel that way if you didn't belittle homemakers (or do we need movements to let people know they can do things other than be doctors/lawyers/whatever profession you view as high status?)

A more equitable solution than socialized childcare that recognizes that homemaker is a valuable job that lots of women (50% of those with children) would prefer to do would be to increase the refundable child tax credit. Then you could use that money for hired childcare or to "hire yourself" as a caretaker according to your preference (obviously men could also be the homemaker if that's what the couple wants).

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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> Where are the dads? > One of the biggest issues is that women seem to be giving up on men, particularly those without college degrees this is about what i would expect from npr it has nothing to do with welfare starting in the 1960s where you can visibly see a breakup in families by incentivizing divorce, its.... college

In contrast to your argument though, Europe has comparatively higher welfare across the board, but the US has the world's highest rate of children living in single-parent households.

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Again, both parents in a stable long lasting relationship are capable of a stable long lasting relationship. Americans being bad at this doesn’t mean long term relationships are the sole difference, though they likely do provide some benefits it’s not the total difference in populations. "I don't know exactly what it is about marriage, but it is a very practical matter," says Kearney, chafing at all the criticism. "I…

I'd like to see a control on this. Is there a group of people who thought they were married, but by bureaucratic snafu actually weren't? Did they have different outcomes than people who were really married?

If there are effects of marriage, it seems fairly obvious that they are due to the explicit commitment that the two people have made to each other, not the government’s tickbox.

Are you actually confused by this concept?

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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> Where are the dads? > One of the biggest issues is that women seem to be giving up on men, particularly those without college degrees this is about what i would expect from npr it has nothing to do with welfare starting in the 1960s where you can visibly see a breakup in families by incentivizing divorce, its.... college

Is this just a lazy version of the "welfare queen" argument?

By all metrics it's cheaper to be married. Better tax benefits, lower housing and insurance costs when you bundle, etc.

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