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The Darién Gap

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Re: The Darién Gap

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This guy claims to have ridden his bike from Alaska to Argentina and doesn't even mention crossing the gap. https://explorersweb.com/teen-cycles-alaska-argentina/ I thought the story was problematic the moment I heard it. I met someone who crossed the gap while migrating to the United States from Africa. When I asked what they thought about someone riding a bicycle through it, they shook their head. They said even ca…

Alaska–Ushuaia cyclists commonly take a boat around the gap. It is a bit more expensive than flying, but it allows one to claim that one did the journey entirely overland. (Recently a few cyclists have bought packrafts and paddled along the coast themselves instead of paying for someone else’s boat.) You shouldn’t think the story was “problematic”, the cyclist was validly describing the journey as typically done.

That said, there are multiple recent accounts of cyclists crossing the gap. Indeed, it is a tiresome hike-a-bike because you can’t actually cycle much, but from the account by a German cyclist I read a few months ago, I don’t recall any climbing. It’s worth mentioning that even a traversal of the gap will involve leaving land and going over water along the rivers at some points.

Re: The Darién Gap

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I find it pretty funny that someone posted about the Pan American highway yesterday, and then the Darien gap today. It’s interesting how ignorant most HN’ers are just south of the USA.

The user PanamaNewb covered most of it correctly. It’s still a dangerous area. There are famous bloggers that have gone missing and literally only their bones have come back. The famous one thus far is: http://travelswithmitzi.blogspot.com/2018/10/killed-in-darie... Jan Philip

Most people mistake the issue there as a technical or engineering one. It isn’t. It’s political and human centric. The indigenous people don’t have a true connection or believe in the government of Panama or Colombia. Go back over a century and the whole land was just Colombia, but Roosevelt (yes, that US president!) wanted the a Canal thru Panama and thus Panama became a country.

Decades later it came up again for road construction but it was already heavily used for smuggling and other curious business. During the 60s through 90s it came up a lot for the cocaine trade. When that was gone, the power vacuum created a few gorilla militants that aligned themselves with the indigenous- most notably the FARC.

That doesn’t really exist anymore, but the people that belonged to several faction still do and many still have revenue from passage or related business.

Most people that need to legitimately get through just take a ferry to Turbo and vice Versa. The migrants walking through is a new phenomena in the volume that try to go through. If you can read Spanish and can find the telegram/signal groups you can even get day by day news of what happens and which days the migrants are told to wait and not try. It correlates to some curious activity or so I understand.

Most people outside of South America lack the understand the above history and the dynamics in general of this graft. But before you point fingers - everyone most likely is somewhat related from Panama to Panama military, Colombia and Colombian military. The anti government groups and the idginious people.

Tl;dr no one wants change except government of Colombia and people on the internet that have no idea of what happens there. Colombia government wants to build roads and tunnels for trade and then eventually enforce laws. But the later always has bad outcomes in Colombia.

Re: The Darién Gap

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Many secrets about that place: Legends abound of a lost city of gold, sometimes called "El Dorado," in South America. While many associate this legend with places further south, some tales and searches for this city have placed it within the Darien Gap. Over the centuries, various explorers and adventurers have ventured into the Darien Gap, drawn by the allure of this hidden treasure. Yet, the dense jungle and the fo…

I'd like to see your sources because this is the first time I'm hearing about this and I'm Colombian! For starters, the Muiscas never inhabited that region so this wild claim makes no sense at all! https://colombia.travel/es/bogota/conoce-la-laguna-de-guatav... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Dorado

https://www.enotes.com/topics/legend-el-dorado/critical-essa...

Re: The Darién Gap

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This guy claims to have ridden his bike from Alaska to Argentina and doesn't even mention crossing the gap. https://explorersweb.com/teen-cycles-alaska-argentina/ I thought the story was problematic the moment I heard it. I met someone who crossed the gap while migrating to the United States from Africa. When I asked what they thought about someone riding a bicycle through it, they shook their head. They said even ca…

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Re: The Darién Gap

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In the 1690's the Scottish invested an enormous sum of money and human capital to settle this region. The goal was to build and profit from an overland route to ferry cargo from the Pacific to the Atlantic, similar to the Panama Canal today. Due to disease, less-than-accommodating natives, and geopolitical climate, the scheme failed miserably. Many argue the crippling financial effect on Scotland was a key factor in…

Thousands of people died during the construction of the Panama Canal as well. The Path Between the Seas is a good book covering it.

As I recall, food was “refrigerated” by the workers in nested, open pots submerged in water. …which happened to be an excellent breeding place for mosquitoes. Malaria and yellow fever would kill or cripple every worker present, and the country du jour had to keep shipping more in. Bleak stuff.

France saw like 20,000 workers die alone. Rainforests really are not a great place to live, lol

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Random related anecdote. I met a guy in Colombia who was cycling from Canada to Patagonia. He'd made it all the way to the border according to his maps but was stopped by armed military/paramilitary troops and sent back to Panama by river in a dinghy full of (or made to appear to be full of) bananas. In the end he had to fly that leg. It's also common to sail it, Panama city to Cartagena, but the other direction make…

I drove the length of the Pan-American, and shipped my Jeep around in a shipping container. Even back in 2008 when I did it, I met a few backpackers that had crossed the Darien on foot. You take a bus and then hitchhike as far south as you possibly can. Talk to locals, figure something out. Someone will know of a crappy boat or canoe or something to take you a few hours through the swap and then you're on land again.…

Entering a crapy boat or canoe in a place known to be run by drug smugglers and gangs sound like an easy way to disappear without trace after being robbed and murdered.

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Hey there. I'm from Panama. The Darien Gap still has foreigners (including wealthy tourists) going there with the crazy idea they can hike through it. The trash being left behind in just the past couple years is just heartbreaking. Mountainous jungles in Panama are extremely easy to get lost in the overgrown vegetation. Tourists have died in hiking trails in Boquete, Veraguas or Cerro Azul by only going a few hundred…

I was in panama when i was young, about 17 years ago. I always wanted to come back and had the idea of building startups there that help local economy. How is the landscape there now? Is there a startup scene?

I love panama and hope to return some day. Always excited to hear from panmeños!

Re: The Darién Gap

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Sounds like an incredibly risky area but in terms of navigation can they not use gps?

For sure, a garmin gps would help. They're not 100% though. I have a property in the mountains with jungle and there were steep drops that did not show up on my topographic map. I imagine someone could easily die if they didn't pay attention. Also, slipping and falling is a serious risk during the wet season, even on well known paths.

Surely lidar would be valuable, given how it has already proven its effectiveness for archaeology in this region

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I’m not sure it was mainly rich folks who suffered. Many small scale investors also lost money. So severe were the losses that something like 25% of private wealth in Scotland was destroyed. Some argue we are still feeling the effects of this today. It certainly didn’t help with social attitudes towards being miserly with money (which we very much are).

>I’m not sure it was mainly rich folks who suffered. I've read it was 1/3rd of their annual GDP. >Some argue we are still feeling the effects of this today. Of course you are. Think of it this way. The reason they poured everything into it and kept pouring more into it wasn't just to increase personal wealth of investors. It was a unique opportunity to poll vault towards becoming a major European empire. While they k…

A little diversion into the tiers of people you’d hear about constantly in primary school. S+ from P3 onwards, S from P6 onwards, A tier are more those that you’d be told invented the modern world

S+ tier: Alexander Graham Bell, John Logie Baird, Rabbie Burns.

S tier: James Watt, Alexander Fleming, Charles Rennie Mackintosh.

A tier: David Hume, Adam Smith, James Dunlop

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