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George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by Exoristos »

ethanbond wrote: post #174
Jensson wrote: post #171

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> An average American eats more than a hundred animals per year Most of that are chickens. Have you seen a family farm where people eat their chickens? They just take one and behead it, killing it takes no effort and is just a part of preparing the food no different than peeling the vegetables. Killing a chicken a day per family is very little work. > We literally put people in jail for abusing their animals, so yes,…

Yes it is actually hard to kill a chicken per day, which is why societies that have to grow and kill their own food don’t eat a chicken per day. Only the hyper-industrialized meat producers get even close to that.

Where do you guys come up with this stuff? When I was a teen in Appalachia, I butchered dozens of chickens a day, by hand, during canning season.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by ethanbond »

Exoristos wrote: post #181
ethanbond wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it is actually hard to kill a chicken per day, which is why societies that have to grow and kill their own food don’t eat a chicken per day. Only the hyper-industrialized meat producers get even close to that.

Where do you guys come up with this stuff? When I was a teen in Appalachia, I butchered dozens of chickens a day, by hand, during canning season.

I think you lost the thread. The claim was factory farming doesn’t change the volume of meat consumption and production, only the geographic location of it.

It is economically not viable for every American family to produce and kill their own 2lb of (currently, on average) consumed meat per day. That is why we have factory farming and why it dominates our food supply: economies of scale. The lack of these economies is why you objectively and in actual fact do not see the same scale of meat consumption in less industrialized food systems.

It has nothing to do with whether it’s physically or psychologically possible to kill x chickens per day.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by iancmceachern »

Aloha wrote: post #180
klyrs wrote: post #155

> I'll bet if they had still been calling it 'shell shock,' some of those Vietnam veterans might have received the attention they needed. History lesson: no, WWI veterans didn't get the attention they needed. This is wistful conservatism wrapped in a shroud of comedy. Don't mistake it for truth or wisdom. The treatment of Vietnam veterans was not a departure from the standard practice of wars predating it. The depth…

My belief that part of the depth of Trauma compared to WWII and Korea was the rotation system as used, vs demob as a unit. To expand on this, in Vietnam, individual soldiers were rotated in and out based on time in country, in WWII, units rotated as a unit, with replacements added during the rotation. The fact that it took weeks or months to repatriate people back to CONUS after WWII, gave time for people to process…

This makes perfect sense. Taking a ship back from Europe for a couple weeks is like a built in therapy detox group session.

The way my grandfather talked about WWII was different than other folks I've heard talk about wars after. My grandfather was at peace about it within himself in a way I haven't seen since. The things he saw and had to do were no doubt just as horrific.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by [deleted] »

Kye wrote: post #55
hfuyf65 wrote: post #52

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Disagree, but can you substantiate hypocrite claim? Also cancellation chance seems to depend on how 'big' you are. Chapelle wasn't cancelled despite attempts. I suspect Carlin would get in trouble, but since he had a strong following, it is hardly a given.

Refused to make jokes at the expense of one marginalized and vulnerable group he's part of, makes jokes at the expense of another he isn't. That's hypocrisy. The motivation to walk away was self-interested, not principled.

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Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by Aloha »

iancmceachern wrote: post #183
Aloha wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My belief that part of the depth of Trauma compared to WWII and Korea was the rotation system as used, vs demob as a unit. To expand on this, in Vietnam, individual soldiers were rotated in and out based on time in country, in WWII, units rotated as a unit, with replacements added during the rotation. The fact that it took weeks or months to repatriate people back to CONUS after WWII, gave time for people to process…

This makes perfect sense. Taking a ship back from Europe for a couple weeks is like a built in therapy detox group session. The way my grandfather talked about WWII was different than other folks I've heard talk about wars after. My grandfather was at peace about it within himself in a way I haven't seen since. The things he saw and had to do were no doubt just as horrific.

I've done some reading on the topic - and what surprises me is that none of the professional literature (that I've found), touches on this.

But for me as a reader of history, it's blindly obvious - in particular with the strategy used to treat PTSD, which is functionally group therapy with over vets with similar experiences.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by ironSkillet »

michaelgburton wrote: post #177
ethanbond wrote: post #169

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So the shock of a factory farm is just the shock of “seeing something new,” akin to going to Disneyland for the first time? OP said “more people would be vegan” which I think is strictly true. Everyone? No. Would a lot of people reduce their meat consumption from the currently obscene 150+ animals per year (average American)? Probably.

150+ animals per person per year? Citation needed.

There's just no way it's true. A single cow can feed someone who eats beef often for an entire year.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by dandellion »

klyrs wrote: post #155

> I'll bet if they had still been calling it 'shell shock,' some of those Vietnam veterans might have received the attention they needed. History lesson: no, WWI veterans didn't get the attention they needed. This is wistful conservatism wrapped in a shroud of comedy. Don't mistake it for truth or wisdom. The treatment of Vietnam veterans was not a departure from the standard practice of wars predating it. The depth…

Was funny.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

cyber_kinetist wrote: post #21
jacquesm wrote: post #4

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The better stand-up comedians are hard to distinguish from philosophers. Carlin is right up there. It's a pity he's gone, we kind of need him right now.

Note that the opposite can also be true: some philosophers can also be good comedians (in spite of the general stereotype that all philosophers are excruciatingly boring and dry, which can partially be attributed to the proliferation of analytic philosophy.) For example Slavoj Zizek has a whole book dedicated to cataloguing his (often "politically incorrect") jokes. Link here: https://meydanehonar.com/Panel/Uploads/6…

Fun fact: In German the words for knowledge ('Wissen') and wit/joke ('Witz') share the same root.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by paulluuk »

dijit wrote: post #113
donatj wrote: post #100

I saw a conversation on Twitter a while ago back when it still was Twitter. The OP with many followers was laying out words and classes of words with negative connotations that shouldn't be used. Someone replied in good faith to OP and asked how we should express negative thoughts. OPs answer was basically that we shouldn't. I find that kind of thought very off putting and minorly disturbing. An important part of the…

Such language policing is double-plus-ungood. (For those that haven’t read the classic Nineteen-eighty-four book by Eric Arthur Blair (pen name: George Orwell) one of the core themes of the story is how the ruling party controlled language, calling it “newspeak”, in order to remove the ability to express certain thoughts or opinions, most notably those that could be used to incite revolution or allow you to express d…

I find that conservatives most often quote "Nineteen-eighty-four" as a comment on "politically correct" language. But when asked about "family values", "obamacare", "right to work" and other conservative double-speak, they often don't feel like those apply.

My point is not that conservatives use more double-speak/newspeak then progressives, rather my point is that this is used and applied across the political spectrum, and even in the military ("enhanced interrogation", "collateral damage") and corporations ("restructuring", "cost engineering").

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by croes »

klyrs wrote: post #155

> I'll bet if they had still been calling it 'shell shock,' some of those Vietnam veterans might have received the attention they needed. History lesson: no, WWI veterans didn't get the attention they needed. This is wistful conservatism wrapped in a shroud of comedy. Don't mistake it for truth or wisdom. The treatment of Vietnam veterans was not a departure from the standard practice of wars predating it. The depth…

>History lesson: no, WWI veterans didn't get the attention they needed.

Where does Carlin say that WWI veterans did the proper attention? He said with the name shell shock maybe Vietnam veterans would have, because 50 years the same name for the same problem without proper treatment could have get the publics attention

>This is wistful conservatism wrapped in a shroud of comedy.

That is your interpretation and not necessarily the truth, especially since Carlin can hardly be called a conservative

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