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Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Is it that marriage itself is beneficial or that people capable of maintaining a relationship make better parents? Divorce is significantly more common for bipolar, paranoid, and schizophrenic people for example. So I think we need to look at widows or something to control for those kinds of issues.

I was wondering about that, too. The data are very clear: if you grow up with married parents, you will do better. But, should everyone be rushing off to get married, or is marriage selective for people who will do better? Or is it partly selective, and also partly forcing yourself to work through a marriage makes you a better person?

It is a bit of all the above. People select marriage partners who are trust worthy, stable, and not constantly looking for excitement.

These same people, when they find a suitable spouse, are more likely to tough it out when things get unpleasant in the belief their spouse is fundamentally a good person.

In marriage just like at work, you don’t judge someone by one event. People may have a bad day. Or they are sick and not themselves. Instead you should judge their actions over a long period of time. If someone has always been there for you, appreciated you and delivered what they promised, and for some reason hurt you today; you are more likely to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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> Kearney says she's not advocating that children live in a household filled with marital tension or where parents are unhappy or mistreating each other. Then what is the proposed solution? Pointing out the problem is the easy part. But if you want more people to be married, and if they're currently choosing not to get married, then you need to either force them to get married against their will (institutionalized sh…

That adults grow up, realise that they now have a responsibility to each other and to their child.

If that is not possible, then the solution is not to have children, which is a 100% fair choice.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Single parents raising kids should be charged with child abuse.

Get married before you engage in reproductive or recreational pseduo-reproductive activities.

If your spouse does, find another widow(er) in the same spot and marry them for the kids.

It's not that hard. People knew this 4,000 years ago.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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> Kearney says she's not advocating that children live in a household filled with marital tension or where parents are unhappy or mistreating each other. Then what is the proposed solution? Pointing out the problem is the easy part. But if you want more people to be married, and if they're currently choosing not to get married, then you need to either force them to get married against their will (institutionalized sh…

You don't need a solution when you point out a problem.

I've found this attitude in a lot of people. I think it's designed to shut down ideas that they don't like. At least that tends to happen.

Describing a problem builds awareness. It's the first step to a solution. Insisting on a solution is just another way of ignoring a problem.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Is it that marriage itself is beneficial or that people capable of maintaining a relationship make better parents? Divorce is significantly more common for bipolar, paranoid, and schizophrenic people for example. So I think we need to look at widows or something to control for those kinds of issues.

I was wondering about that, too. The data are very clear: if you grow up with married parents, you will do better. But, should everyone be rushing off to get married, or is marriage selective for people who will do better? Or is it partly selective, and also partly forcing yourself to work through a marriage makes you a better person?

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Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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I find it ridiculous that healthcare is the greatest driver of cost of living but no one does anything about it. Doctors and nurses are overworked too. It’s the biggest scam going right now and all the politicians are in on it.

You can place the blame for both things on the federal government. 1. Obamacare was promised to save families $2500 per year. Instead healthcare costs have predictably nearly doubled. 2. A few decades ago the government actively discouraged medical schools from enrolling enough would-be doctors because they had a misguided belief that the country would have too many.

PPACA was one of the biggest policy fails and put us at a great competitive disadvantage. We were coming out of the Great Financial Crisis and the Rust Belt desperately needed manufacturing revival which the likes of Walmart forced abroad. At least some of that is reversing.

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Do you live in an area with high international demand for housing? Not all of the US is a hot spot for high paid immigrants, yet. Displacement is a real thing. Not everyone can change states or nations to make the finances work out.

Luckily in the US you can choose to live wherever you want. If you’re priced out of a neighborhood, you can choose to live somewhere else. You can also choose how many and why type of cars to have, what food to eat, how much to spend on vacations, etc. Hell, you can even choose where and what you do for work! What a country! Many people will choose higher spending power with two incomes rather than take a step down t…

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Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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This is something of a useless article as a discussion point, since it discusses the conclusions the book argues for and the controversy, but not much of the actual argument, particularly its factual basis (assuming there is one) beyond post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Its worth noting that this issue has been discussed for a long time, and while the article acts as if the promotion of marriage in the face of trends the other way on a “think about the children” basis was a novel suggestion of the author, this is not at all the case; it’s been suggested for decades, been the basis of vast amounts of unsuccessful, even at the “step one” of actually influencing the marriage trend, public policy at the state and federal level (the latter as far back as the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act).

And there has been lots of analysis suggesting that marriage, per se, is not driving most of the difference, but things like income and parenting style are [0], and that those correlate with propensity to marry (but are not themselves driven by marriage), so promoting marriage is likely barking up the wrong tree.

[0] e.g., https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-marriage-effect-money...

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Is it that marriage itself is beneficial or that people capable of maintaining a relationship make better parents? Divorce is significantly more common for bipolar, paranoid, and schizophrenic people for example. So I think we need to look at widows or something to control for those kinds of issues.

I think that's it in a nutshell. Divorce is also more common for selfish and self-centered people, and I would argue that those traits do not make for good parents. (which is not to say that a good person should remain married to such a spouse --- arguably the only thing worse than a good divorce is a bad marriage) Ages ago, I worked at a school for boys, and one could pretty much map negative trats of the parents to…

> Ages ago, I worked at a school for boys, and one could pretty much map negative trats of the parents to corresponding unsocial behaviours on the part of the child.

My parents were both teachers, and it was a very commonly held belief among teachers that you could predict a kid's academic outcome reasonably well by simply learning about their parent(s) behaviors and home life. Kids' academic achievement has little to do with the quality of schools, quality of teachers, wealth or poverty of the area, but has everything to do with the positive and negative traits of their parents.

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