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Re: Air Rage Is Getting Worse, and Airlines Can't Fix It

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Post by malux85 » Sun, Oct 22, 2023, 12:29 PM UTC

wjnc wrote: post #12

wkat4242 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are yes but that doesn't justify taking it out on their employees. They're just in the same boat as we are. And with airlines like Ryanair, when you want something just pay for it. Seat selection, carryon etc. It's still cheaper than a traditional airline. When you follow their rules you won't have issues.

The amount of people (willfully?) trying to haggle with Ryanair is probably the most detrimental to their experience. My latest flight about 40% (yes, I’m counting) of the waits were for people discussing non-booked preferences (suitcases, seats, priority). They should accept any customer wish (except seating) and charge afterwards. That would be great. “Oh here we see you had a overhead and stood in the priority lan…

So financially incentivise the airline to make their processes unclear so the customer accidentally spends a bunch more?

Sounds like that would cause more rage.

Re: Air Rage Is Getting Worse, and Airlines Can't Fix It

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Post by Eumenes » Sun, Oct 22, 2023, 12:34 PM UTC

how about blacklisting certain offenders? sounds pretty easy.

Re: Air Rage Is Getting Worse, and Airlines Can't Fix It

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Post by mayd » Sun, Oct 22, 2023, 12:47 PM UTC

Can't fix. Won't fix.

Re: Air Rage Is Getting Worse, and Airlines Can't Fix It

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Post by joezydeco » Sun, Oct 22, 2023, 1:26 PM UTC

dagurp wrote: post #15

Maybe alcohol shouldn't be served on flights? Just throwing that out there.

Everyone is loading up in the airport bars before boarding. Putting the little bottles away won't help that.

Re: Air Rage Is Getting Worse, and Airlines Can't Fix It

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Post by nytesky » Sun, Oct 22, 2023, 1:37 PM UTC

Road rage. Air rage. Political rage. There is a lot of anger all the time, yet the economy has been pretty good?

Is it post-COVID biology? People permanently unsettled by the GFC? Rising temperatures?

Re: Air Rage Is Getting Worse, and Airlines Can't Fix It

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Post by vonwoodson » Sun, Oct 22, 2023, 2:32 PM UTC

Flying is a truly horrible experience. All the victim-blaming in the world won’t help either.

I say: time to cut federal spending on keeping airlines in business. If United, et. al., can’t cut it as a business… so be it. Maybe, if we let The Market steer for a while these issues will resolve.

Re: Air Rage Is Getting Worse, and Airlines Can't Fix It

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Post by pohl » Sun, Oct 22, 2023, 2:52 PM UTC

wly_cdgr wrote: post #5

Airlines are lying, bait-and-switching pieces of shit and the flying experience gets worse every year, so the only thing that's surprising is that there aren't way more of these incidents

Which part of that is grounds for assault?

Re: Air Rage Is Getting Worse, and Airlines Can't Fix It

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Post by appplication » Sun, Oct 22, 2023, 2:55 PM UTC

FreakyT wrote: post #11

wly_cdgr wrote: post #5

Airlines are lying, bait-and-switching pieces of shit and the flying experience gets worse every year, so the only thing that's surprising is that there aren't way more of these incidents

> the flying experience gets worse every year People always say this, but I haven't seen any evidence that it's true. In my view, the flying experience at least in the US has actually gotten better over the last few years. United, for example, added free seatback IFEs. (About 10 or so years ago, you had to swipe a credit card to watch anything.)

This is not just post 9/11. Airlines have been cramming more seats onto planes[1], the quality of the seats has been going down. There didn’t used to be a single airline that had no-recline seats, now there are many. Charging for carry on or forgoing drink service to save money also wasn’t a thing until a few years ago, now it’s everywhere.

Airlines are pushing people as far as they can in order to maximize cash extraction. It’s no surprise more people are snapping.

[1] https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-08-11/airlines-h...

Re: Air Rage Is Getting Worse, and Airlines Can't Fix It

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Post by pohl » Sun, Oct 22, 2023, 2:56 PM UTC

nytesky wrote: post #25

Road rage. Air rage. Political rage. There is a lot of anger all the time, yet the economy has been pretty good? Is it post-COVID biology? People permanently unsettled by the GFC? Rising temperatures?

Might be increased incidence of narcissism. Adult bodies driven around by the minds of children.

Re: Air Rage Is Getting Worse, and Airlines Can't Fix It

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Post by cainxinth » Sun, Oct 22, 2023, 3:10 PM UTC

pohl wrote: post #27

wly_cdgr wrote: post #5

Airlines are lying, bait-and-switching pieces of shit and the flying experience gets worse every year, so the only thing that's surprising is that there aren't way more of these incidents

Which part of that is grounds for assault?

None of them, but I don’t think those are being offered as justifications for violence, but to help explain the rise in prevalence. If you cram more and more people into smaller and smaller spaces, opportunities for conflict are going to increase.

Personally, though, I think it’s more a matter of air travel becoming more accessible. Air traffic doubled in the last two decades. There used to be a lot fewer people flying because there weren’t as many routes and low cost options.