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Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by lapcat »

christophilus wrote: post #22
bloopernova wrote: post #5

America is moving the other way because all the wealth and power has been sucked up by the 0.1% and a large majority are too tired, stressed, and poor. Everything stems from this. Too much wealth tied up in the health insurance scam to switch to single payer, so people stay bound to their employment, and they can't afford time off or visits to the doctor because nothing is completely covered anymore. Too much wealth…

I’m not sure everything stems from this. Marriage was not just for the wealthy and nobles in the Middle Ages, or in the 1800s or in subsaharan Africa, etc. If it’s a matter of relative wealth disparity, there have been plenty of eras (probably the majority of recorded human history) in which the kings and nobles had a similar wealth gap to their poorest married subjects as we see today between the 1% and the 99%. I’m…

> I’m not defending wealth disparity; simply suggesting there’s likely another cause for the marriage-rate collapse.

In the past that you're talking about, women were not allowed to be independent, i.e., own property or obtain jobs that could support a family. So women had little choice but to get married.

As long as non-marriage is a realistic choice for women, the marriage rates will never be as high as they were when society made women subservient.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by hotpotamus »

DangitBobby wrote: post #26
sneed_chucker wrote: post #16

The system of marriage in the United States was built around social and economic assumptions that largely don't hold anymore.

Maybe it will be rebuilt around the belief that it's a better environment for child rearing.

Or perhaps people will decide that childrearing is too much effort in addition to all the other pressures put upon them and birthrates will continue to fall. Perhaps South Korea and Japan are examples.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by pleoxy »

bloopernova wrote: post #5

America is moving the other way because all the wealth and power has been sucked up by the 0.1% and a large majority are too tired, stressed, and poor. Everything stems from this. Too much wealth tied up in the health insurance scam to switch to single payer, so people stay bound to their employment, and they can't afford time off or visits to the doctor because nothing is completely covered anymore. Too much wealth…

You don't buy a marriage. If you try you are doing it wrong.

Finances are a component of marriage, not the driver.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by actionfromafar »

liquidpele wrote: post #57
Mayzie wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t survive or support a family with a single income these days.. It’s required for both partners to work.

To be fair, this is mostly a consequence of women entering the workforce. Not that that’s bad, but it’s an unintended consequence that companies were then able to convince workers to work for less because people could survive on it still.

Yeah see I think that’s part of the wealth being sucked into the 0.1%

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by WillAdams »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #15
digbyw12 wrote: post #7

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Do you mean the children of Black parents? If that's really the case, I see no problem of cancellation here as it would further accentuate the point of systematic disadvantages of people of color.

For those who are curious about this, I would recommend that you graph violent crimes and the prevalence of unwed mothers, and then re-do the graph for each race which one is interested in.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

dietsche wrote: post #41
bloopernova wrote: post #5

America is moving the other way because all the wealth and power has been sucked up by the 0.1% and a large majority are too tired, stressed, and poor. Everything stems from this. Too much wealth tied up in the health insurance scam to switch to single payer, so people stay bound to their employment, and they can't afford time off or visits to the doctor because nothing is completely covered anymore. Too much wealth…

This argument is non sequitor. If wealth inequality was the problem, couples would be forced by economics to work together to bring in more together than they could separately and to share resources like housing to reduce costs.

You think this isn't happening?

The problem is now even dual incomes are not enough. So when squeezed, guess what, people get stressed and start crumbling.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by thaumasiotes »

pylua wrote: post #50
pleoxy wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Been doing it for more than 15 years. Where there is a will, there is a way.

You certainly can, but going by the numbers most people can’t.

In what sense? Where are the people starving to death? Most people seem to be able to do just fine on zero incomes.

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Post by aaomidi »

seaman1921 wrote: post #25
bloopernova wrote: post #5

America is moving the other way because all the wealth and power has been sucked up by the 0.1% and a large majority are too tired, stressed, and poor. Everything stems from this. Too much wealth tied up in the health insurance scam to switch to single payer, so people stay bound to their employment, and they can't afford time off or visits to the doctor because nothing is completely covered anymore. Too much wealth…

nice excuse for not being able to maintain relationships. Going by your logic, maintaining one in poorer countries should be impossible

Being an average person in a poor country is very different from being poor in a rich country.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Post by actionfromafar »

dietsche wrote: post #41
bloopernova wrote: post #5

America is moving the other way because all the wealth and power has been sucked up by the 0.1% and a large majority are too tired, stressed, and poor. Everything stems from this. Too much wealth tied up in the health insurance scam to switch to single payer, so people stay bound to their employment, and they can't afford time off or visits to the doctor because nothing is completely covered anymore. Too much wealth…

This argument is non sequitor. If wealth inequality was the problem, couples would be forced by economics to work together to bring in more together than they could separately and to share resources like housing to reduce costs.

Yes, if people are perfectly spherical economic machines.

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bloopernova wrote: post #5

America is moving the other way because all the wealth and power has been sucked up by the 0.1% and a large majority are too tired, stressed, and poor. Everything stems from this. Too much wealth tied up in the health insurance scam to switch to single payer, so people stay bound to their employment, and they can't afford time off or visits to the doctor because nothing is completely covered anymore. Too much wealth…

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