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George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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What’s the effect here? I don’t think I like soft language, but can’t really pinpoint why I don’t like it. Is it bad that some company came up with toilet paper and now it’s bathroom tissue? Shell shock is now PTSD? Who cares?

I guess the new words come with an agenda, they're not just words. It's a subtle method of manipulation.

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My favourite one in Dutch: People with a disability used to be called "handicapped". At some point, that was no longer acceptable. The correct term to use became "invalid". So it was better to say "that person is invalid" than "that person is handicapped".

Another example Carlin provides is "cripple". It can be used as both an adjective and as a verb and concisely describes the situation. It's entirely neutral and free of euphemism.

He also makes a similar argument for "retarded".

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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What’s the effect here? I don’t think I like soft language, but can’t really pinpoint why I don’t like it. Is it bad that some company came up with toilet paper and now it’s bathroom tissue? Shell shock is now PTSD? Who cares?

It affects your perception, optimizing production costs is easier to do and less morally problematic than firing people.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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What’s the effect here? I don’t think I like soft language, but can’t really pinpoint why I don’t like it. Is it bad that some company came up with toilet paper and now it’s bathroom tissue? Shell shock is now PTSD? Who cares?

A common theme with a lot of Carlin rants - they resonate well, but they're completely wrong.

I don't think we want to describe sexual assault victims as having "shell shock". Even a soldier could get "shell shock" without encountering any shells. The language got softer not because we're all a bunch of softies but because we noticed a general pattern and generalized the name to match.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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What’s the effect here? I don’t think I like soft language, but can’t really pinpoint why I don’t like it. Is it bad that some company came up with toilet paper and now it’s bathroom tissue? Shell shock is now PTSD? Who cares?

I didn't read all of the article but I've watched that bit multiple times, IIRC his point was all of these euphemisms sanitize the language and hide the meaning and emotions behind words. PTSD is a clinical word with less emotional connotations, it sounds more manageable and it's easier to forget.

Maybe if we didn't change what it was, it would've been a bit more difficult to send people to wars where they can get 'shellshocked' instead of 'experiencing PTSD'.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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What’s the effect here? I don’t think I like soft language, but can’t really pinpoint why I don’t like it. Is it bad that some company came up with toilet paper and now it’s bathroom tissue? Shell shock is now PTSD? Who cares?

Deflection, (self)censorship, there's a number of reasons.

Toilet paper became bathroom tissue because some people think toilets are gross.

Shellshock became battle fatigue so that people aren't discouraged from going to war; "they're just tired". It became post-traumatic stress disorder to make it both clinical, and to put it on the person having it - YOU have a disorder after a traumatic event.

Modern day example, people self-censor to avoid getting downranked, censoring words like "sex" into "s*x", "kill" into "unalive", "suicide" to "sewer slide", etc.

The book 1984 takes it to its extremes, where the language has changed to control the discourse and masses.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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>"Americans have trouble facing the truth," Carlin said. "So they invent a kind of a soft language to protect themselves from it"

It is useful and not limited to Americans, that's why people do it. Much more people would have been vegans or they would be much more indifferent to violence if every pack of meat had a QR code to a video showing the life and processing of that particular animal.

It's also not just softening that's practiced but hardening too. We dehumanise people all the time if we want to suppress them or kill them institutionally.

We humans like to live in an idealised reality, a fiction where we are just and don't practice cruelty, our parent's don't have sex, people have roles(social roles, gender roles, political roles etc) and they always act in a way to honour that.

The reality is much more different of course, we kill animals at scale we call terrorist or another dirty word those who we have institutional violent conflicts with and exterminate them, our parents have sex just like anyone else, mothers/fathers/leaders/police/ceo's are human too and they have human desires and human faults.

Then there's cultural movements trying to bring these things closer to reality or push them into a new virtual reality. The sex revolution in the west that the eastern world never had for example creates huge divide between lifestyle and family structures between westerners and easterners(it's not that easterner are backward, it's simply another path they took). The more devout muslims practice ceremonial animal sacrifice which often happens on the streets with kids around, so they tend to have different relationship with the animal killing(no, they are cruelty or anything like that, it's just different).

IMHO, it's nothing special to Americans but Americans tend to have control over the pop culture because the USA is the dominant culture of the last century. Also, Americans are masters of marketing and they choose their words very intentionally(like the discussion over abortions are framed like "pro choice" and "pro life", which can be very confusing for non-americans).

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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My favourite one in Dutch: People with a disability used to be called "handicapped". At some point, that was no longer acceptable. The correct term to use became "invalid". So it was better to say "that person is invalid" than "that person is handicapped".

That's funny we went the opposite way in France, "invalid" in the past, now "handicapped".

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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What’s the effect here? I don’t think I like soft language, but can’t really pinpoint why I don’t like it. Is it bad that some company came up with toilet paper and now it’s bathroom tissue? Shell shock is now PTSD? Who cares?

I guess the new words come with an agenda, they're not just words. It's a subtle method of manipulation.

Softening them, like “crippled” to “disabled,” makes it seem like the manipulation or agenda is to make affected people feel more included by making them feel less bad. Maybe that’s an agenda, but my sense is the complainants are of the “kids these days” variety.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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My favourite one in Dutch: People with a disability used to be called "handicapped". At some point, that was no longer acceptable. The correct term to use became "invalid". So it was better to say "that person is invalid" than "that person is handicapped".

That's not even the end of it, because there's also "mindervalide", "less-valid", or "iemand met een beperking", "someone with a limitation".
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