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Re: Psytrance Guide

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Post by BowBun »

mlyle wrote: post #278
BowBun wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's great that you found an opportunity to teach thanks a low-value comment. HN policies still state that comments need to be substantive. There are good reasons for this that should be respected given that we all take advantage of the community built on those clearly stated expectations.

Expressing that you have no idea what the other person is saying (but that this is part of the value of this community) is not without substance or useless. They could have been more verbose about it, but I'm not sure that makes the community better. The guidelines are guidelines. We all work to interpret them. HN themselves in introducing the guidelines says that "empty" comments can be okay if they're positive, whi…

Fair points, and I'd appreciate a source on your last statement from the HN guideline side. I just reviewed them to take into account more nuance that may have been added since the last time I checked. I will disagree with your interpretation of substance but defer to the guidelines.

Re: Psytrance Guide

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Post by ecocentrik »

mlyle wrote: post #206
stavros wrote: post #113

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Ah yes, of course.

So, in English: A sawtooth is a wave that looks like the blade of a saw. It is pretty close to sinusoidal, so it sounds somewhat like a single tone, but there is some distortion and harmonics; not nearly as much as you'd get from a square wave, though. A synthesizer has an envelope generator, to model how real instruments increase in volume, keep a steady volume while active, and then decay. The envelope is usually m…

"A sawtooth is a wave that looks like the blade of a saw. It is pretty close to sinusoidal, so it sounds somewhat like a single tone, but there is some distortion and harmonics; not nearly as much as you'd get from a square wave, though."

In Fourier terms, a sinusoidal is the fundamental frequency. A square wave contains the fundamental frequency + all odd harmonics. A saw wave contains the fundamental frequency + all odd and even harmonics.

No distortion is needed to shape a saw wave and the rest of what you said is inaccurate.

Re: Psytrance Guide

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Post by mlyle »

ecocentrik wrote: post #282
mlyle wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, in English: A sawtooth is a wave that looks like the blade of a saw. It is pretty close to sinusoidal, so it sounds somewhat like a single tone, but there is some distortion and harmonics; not nearly as much as you'd get from a square wave, though. A synthesizer has an envelope generator, to model how real instruments increase in volume, keep a steady volume while active, and then decay. The envelope is usually m…

"A sawtooth is a wave that looks like the blade of a saw. It is pretty close to sinusoidal, so it sounds somewhat like a single tone, but there is some distortion and harmonics; not nearly as much as you'd get from a square wave, though." In Fourier terms, a sinusoidal is the fundamental frequency. A square wave contains the fundamental frequency + all odd harmonics. A saw wave contains the fundamental frequency + al…

It is distorted in the sense that a sine wave that has been put through a nonlinear process -- e.g. clipped to form a square wave; clipped and integrated to form a triangle; clipped and integrated asymmetrically to form a saw; etc.

Total harmonic distortion measures the amount of power that you have in harmonics vs. the fundamental wave. A purely sinusoidal tone would have no energy in harmonics; a saw would have 44% of its energy in harmonics.

Maybe you're nitpicking and saying that it's not "distortion", but harmonic distortion as a metric of how much energy is in harmonics-- because the primary way we used to get those harmonics is by distortion of a sine wave-- is common lingo.

Re: Psytrance Guide

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Post by mlyle »

BowBun wrote: post #281
mlyle wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expressing that you have no idea what the other person is saying (but that this is part of the value of this community) is not without substance or useless. They could have been more verbose about it, but I'm not sure that makes the community better. The guidelines are guidelines. We all work to interpret them. HN themselves in introducing the guidelines says that "empty" comments can be okay if they're positive, whi…

Fair points, and I'd appreciate a source on your last statement from the HN guideline side. I just reviewed them to take into account more nuance that may have been added since the last time I checked. I will disagree with your interpretation of substance but defer to the guidelines.

From the Hacker News Welcome that introduces the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

> The test for substance is a lot like it is for links. Does your comment teach us anything? There are two ways to do that: by pointing out some consideration that hadn't previously been mentioned, and by giving more information about the topic, perhaps from personal experience. Whereas comments like "lol" or "That's the dumbest thing I ever heard" teach us nothing.

> Empty comments can be ok if they're positive. There's nothing wrong with submitting a comment saying just "Thanks." What we especially discourage are comments that are empty and negative—comments that are mere name-calling.

The statement dates to 2014.

Re: Psytrance Guide

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Post by standardly »

poisonarena wrote: post #28
unethical_ban wrote: post #9

Is there something like this I can find for techno/trance/acid etc.? BPM, example songs, where to find more, lineage This site is awesome.

i use youtube, it has more music than soundcloud, beatport, spotify, etc.. I could explore it 24/7 and never hear it all, and i have a discogs window open to to research

lol I've been using YT for music for years. it's maybe slightly cumbersome, and a total waste of bandwidth. but i think its the largest catalogue of music available. i only recently stopped using it quite as much once they neutered the search function (all you get is "recommended for you" etc). but i'm happy to see a fellow youtube listener, thought I was the crazy one in my friend group

Re: Psytrance Guide

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Post by g-b-r »

lolc wrote: post #280
g-b-r wrote: post #228

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Yes that's one of its problems unfortunately. The radio seems to be an afterthought, with their main focus being on their Second Life (yes apparently it still exists) clubs. Anyhow, from Dj Puddles' YouTube videos ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz1rM6EhFvoqq6WC3f9fSwQ ) it looks like the track is shown in the Second Life's clubs (the videos are often marred by the dj's unbearable distorted voice...). Furthermore,…

Ah thanks. Funny how second life is still around.

Yeah, and it probably has more users than meta's thing xD

Re: Psytrance Guide

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Post by tinix »

echelon_musk wrote: post #220
tinix wrote: post #181

I miss ektoplazm...

The site is still online [0] although there haven't been any new releases since 2018. The site's FLAC releases have been preserved on archive.org [1] for posterity should it ever go offline. [0] https://ektoplazm.com/ [1] https://archive.org/details/ektoplazm-flac

oh wow i built a script years ago to rip it but basilisk asked not to use up all his bandwidth and offered to let me send him a hard drive for backup but i never got around to it... glad to know it's preserved thanks for the tip!

Re: Psytrance Guide

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Post by ecocentrik »

mlyle wrote: post #283
ecocentrik wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"A sawtooth is a wave that looks like the blade of a saw. It is pretty close to sinusoidal, so it sounds somewhat like a single tone, but there is some distortion and harmonics; not nearly as much as you'd get from a square wave, though." In Fourier terms, a sinusoidal is the fundamental frequency. A square wave contains the fundamental frequency + all odd harmonics. A saw wave contains the fundamental frequency + al…

It is distorted in the sense that a sine wave that has been put through a nonlinear process -- e.g. clipped to form a square wave; clipped and integrated to form a triangle; clipped and integrated asymmetrically to form a saw; etc. Total harmonic distortion measures the amount of power that you have in harmonics vs. the fundamental wave. A purely sinusoidal tone would have no energy in harmonics; a saw would have 44%…

Maybe I was nitpicking about the use of the term "distortion" (I prefer "transformation"), but I did want to clarify that saw waves are more harmonically rich and complex than square waves.
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