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Cratering motor fuel sales in Norway show the death spiral that can end oil

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Re: Cratering motor fuel sales in Norway show the death spiral that can end oil

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Norway is more of a city than a country, and a rather wealthy one that is difficult to draw conclusions from when it comes to consumer spending patterns. I'd brush this off as not that interesting. However, if we're looking for oil death spirals in Norway, I recommend: https://crudeoilpeak.info/global-peak/norway-peak-oil

Being Norwegian, that is one of the funniest description I have heard of the country which in reality is the exact opposite.

Re: Cratering motor fuel sales in Norway show the death spiral that can end oil

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Oil is still being used for plastic products. It will still be mined and drilled or fracked until all uses of oil diminish.

It will still be less if demand is lower.

And if plastics become more expensive due to no longer being a "free" byproduct of oil consumption their usage will also go down.

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Can anyone recommend a good article comparing environmental lifecycle costs of EV vs combustion engine that include lithium and cobalt mining?

I’d love that too. What I want to know is the total impact of me keeping my 2016 ICE or if I should switch to a new EV, new because there are no used EVs really where I am.

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Oil is still being used for plastic products. It will still be mined and drilled or fracked until all uses of oil diminish.

It will still be less if demand is lower. And if plastics become more expensive due to no longer being a "free" byproduct of oil consumption their usage will also go down.

What a beautiful spiral this would be.

Re: Cratering motor fuel sales in Norway show the death spiral that can end oil

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Oil is still being used for plastic products. It will still be mined and drilled or fracked until all uses of oil diminish.

While it't true that oil is used for plastics and chemicals today, it's absolutely not the case that it will be drilled into the future when demand for gasoline disappears.

Oil is not strictly a necessary precursor to much of the chemical industry, it is rather a convenient raw material because the high value of gasoline makes lights virtually free. In the early days of oil exploration, lights were constantly burned as they had no economic use at the scale they were produced.

If oil exploration would continue just for the sake of chemicals, the cost structure of these precursors would fundamentally change and it would become more attractive to replace them with renewable sources.

Re: Cratering motor fuel sales in Norway show the death spiral that can end oil

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Norway is more of a city than a country, and a rather wealthy one that is difficult to draw conclusions from when it comes to consumer spending patterns. I'd brush this off as not that interesting. However, if we're looking for oil death spirals in Norway, I recommend: https://crudeoilpeak.info/global-peak/norway-peak-oil

It's a country of five million spread over a significant amount of land area? My metropolitan area is like 6 million people, but only 500K lives within the city of Atlanta.

so the poster is right, your city/metro is larger than Norway, population wise. And they are super wealthy to boot.

It makes it less interesting in the context of switching to EVs.

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Can anyone recommend a good article comparing environmental lifecycle costs of EV vs combustion engine that include lithium and cobalt mining?

This is a good one from the head of research at Our World in Data: https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/ev-fossil-cars-cli...

Also a followup about air pollution, but this doesn't include production: https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/electric-vehicles-...

Re: Cratering motor fuel sales in Norway show the death spiral that can end oil

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Norway is more of a city than a country, and a rather wealthy one that is difficult to draw conclusions from when it comes to consumer spending patterns. I'd brush this off as not that interesting. However, if we're looking for oil death spirals in Norway, I recommend: https://crudeoilpeak.info/global-peak/norway-peak-oil

Somewhat larger and with more fjords than your average city

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Re: Cratering motor fuel sales in Norway show the death spiral that can end oil

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Norway is more of a city than a country, and a rather wealthy one that is difficult to draw conclusions from when it comes to consumer spending patterns. I'd brush this off as not that interesting. However, if we're looking for oil death spirals in Norway, I recommend: https://crudeoilpeak.info/global-peak/norway-peak-oil

Not Norwegian, but lived there for 2 years, in multiple places from Narvik to Stavanager to Oslo to Trondheim.

Population wise, Norway slots between Minnesota and South Carolina and is ~7.5x the mighty "city" of Alaska. It has a mainland latitude sweep of nearly 24 degrees, California covers 16 degrees of latitude. It's coastline is a mind boggling 51,748 miles. I can't find a good stat on total road network size, but neighboring Sweden of similar foot print has only a little less roads than the Spain.

Some city I guess.

As a Washington State resident, my biggest primary holdback with going all electric is the range reduction that occurs in winter months due to cold. Canadian friends have confirmed that it's a real thing. I would love to see what effect this has in Norway. I also would love to see which makes and models are trending there.

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