It's easy to screw up on breaking news but you have to admit when you do

Post by baryphonic » Sat, Oct 21, 2023, 12:09 AM UTC

seo-speedwagon wrote: post #227

jahewson wrote: post #220

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The claim about airburst weapons seems like a massive reach. The tops of the palm trees are unscathed, the nearby buildings have more lower than upper windows blown-out. But if they didn’t make this claim they’d have ruled out all Israeli weapons so they just shoved it in there, despite being vanishingly unlikely. I’m pretty sure this is a self-serving tactic to obfuscate how obviously wrong they were initially and r…

I’ve yet to hear a good explanation for how a fragment of a PIJ rocket could cause vastly, like an order of magnitude+, more damage than any that has ever landed in Israel. But what I have seen is: Israel bomb UNRWA schools; issue evacuation orders for a bunch of hospitals, including this one in question; provide a number of inconsistent explanations and equivocations in the hours and days since; bomb the southern ha…

Post by stefantalpalaru » Sat, Oct 21, 2023, 3:25 AM UTC

Pxtl wrote: post #44

mattmaroon wrote: post #8

I’m still not sure what to believe on that story. It’s not like Israel to intentionally blow up a hospital full of civilians. It’s not unlike them to do it on accident. It’s not unlike Hamas to blow up anything (intentionally or otherwise) and Israel and the US would both probably say they did it whether they did or did not. The story would look the same no matter who did it.

The evidence from reputable OSINT orgs like Bellingcat is pretty-much showing evidence that this was an accident on the part of Palistinian fighters. There are multiple videos showing a volley of rockets were launched from within Gaza (not from Bellingcat, but other OSINT groups -- Bellingcat not ready to make a final conclusion here). One of the rockets appeared to fail while it was rising - it swerved wildly and th…

Post by 6510 » Sat, Oct 21, 2023, 5:20 AM UTC

taneq wrote: post #189

losvedir wrote: post #31

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I try to limit my intake of news, and so most of the story I only hear from my Tangle subscription[0] which has had a pretty even take on it. I've been impressed with them, so far, but of course everyone has biases and you have to take everything with a grain of salt, etc, etc. Anyway, I agree that "Hamas said so" is one side, and it's weak. And on the other side you have the still-standing hospital. You also have Bi…

If you were some shadowy organisation conducting psy-ops and you were gonna go to the effort of constructing a credible fake video for something like that, would you not bother to get the friggin' timestamp right?

Post by jules-jules » Sat, Oct 21, 2023, 6:14 AM UTC

seo-speedwagon wrote: post #227

jahewson wrote: post #220

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The claim about airburst weapons seems like a massive reach. The tops of the palm trees are unscathed, the nearby buildings have more lower than upper windows blown-out. But if they didn’t make this claim they’d have ruled out all Israeli weapons so they just shoved it in there, despite being vanishingly unlikely. I’m pretty sure this is a self-serving tactic to obfuscate how obviously wrong they were initially and r…

I’ve yet to hear a good explanation for how a fragment of a PIJ rocket could cause vastly, like an order of magnitude+, more damage than any that has ever landed in Israel. But what I have seen is: Israel bomb UNRWA schools; issue evacuation orders for a bunch of hospitals, including this one in question; provide a number of inconsistent explanations and equivocations in the hours and days since; bomb the southern ha…

Post by rasz » Sat, Oct 21, 2023, 7:55 AM UTC

locallost wrote: post #217

rasz wrote: post #188

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Do you mean this Church you can clearly see still standing in the photo? https://nitter.net/Osinttechnical/status/1715361491006747073 So you believed a Church was bombed today when in fact it was a building next to it and Church is fine. What does that tell you about sources you use for news? > maybe stop bombing civilians There are missile barrages incoming from Gaza daily, civilians dont shoot rockets. Civilian bui…

I read Reuters [1]. They quote the Orthodox Church itself: > A Greek Orthodox church in the Gaza Strip which was sheltering hundreds of displaced Palestinians was hit overnight by an Israeli air strike, the Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem said, and Palestinian health officials said 16 people were killed. > There was no word from the Church on a death toll. > The Israeli military said a part of the church was damag…