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Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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Seaweed is one of those incredibly delicious items[1] that for some strange reason isn't more popular. I'd love it if it became more common, and more cuisines (outside Japan) incorporated it into their existing dishes. I'm imagining like an Indian curry with seaweed mixed in, or an Italian pasta with seaweed mixed in (in addition to existing ingredients)..... [1] if you buy it from a good brand, so YMMV.

Many, many cuisines outside of Japan incorporate it into their dishes?

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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My family have been using carrageen for as I can remember for cold and flu remedies; at least 3 generations.

https://irishseaweeds.com/shop-2/carrageen-irish-moss-recipe...

The recipe above is almost accurate; they also added poitín to the mix.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poit%C3%ADn

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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How do you know that "ancient people" never thought of animals as having feelings? Seems an extraordinarily broad claim given all the cultures and ages that encompass "ancient people"

Because I read some of their writings? The concept of a "Pet" was foreign to them. Animals - even dogs, were there to work. The concept of how an animal was feeling simply didn't occur to them. An animal was a tool, and you took good care of the tool, but not because of the tool, but because then it was more useful. It was the 18th century when animal rights started becoming a thing, which exactly corresponds with th…

"Some of", indeed. The poster above is correct that your statements are over-broad.

There are hundreds of Roman monuments, inscriptions, and poems [celebrating dogs](https://thepetrifiedmuse.blog/2015/06/20/every-dog-has-his-d...) as companions and pets. There are medieval European graves that strongly suggest sentimentality towards the animals buried in them. There's this [lovely ninth-century Irish poem](https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/48267/...) about a cat. Someone with more knowledge in the area than I possess should comment on animal portraiture in ancient and early-modern China and Japan, but that was a thing as well.

I think the fairest thing to say is that people in every era - very much including today - instrumentalize some animals, and sentimentalize others.

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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It's news for the "modernized" people, that scoff at offal, weird mushrooms and "unusual" foods. Only a few peoples stopped consuming traditional foods, as one might expect.

I've tried tripe a few times and times and I can chew it, swallow it, sure, but its just so foreign to me that I don't seek it out any more.

Tripe is exactly what I was thinking of as I read the GP. It's just...not very good. Same with pig's ear, or tendons. They're not bad foods and they don't turn my stomach, but I'd rather eat pretty much any other part of an animal.

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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Seaweed is one of those incredibly delicious items[1] that for some strange reason isn't more popular. I'd love it if it became more common, and more cuisines (outside Japan) incorporated it into their existing dishes. I'm imagining like an Indian curry with seaweed mixed in, or an Italian pasta with seaweed mixed in (in addition to existing ingredients)..... [1] if you buy it from a good brand, so YMMV.

My mostly-uninformed hypothesis is that seaweed’s relative lack of popularity outside of East Asia stems from the industrialization timeline of Asia vs eg Europe. People in Europe could and did farm seaweed, but with the technology of the mid 19th century it was not possible to do so in a mechanized way, while they did have the technology to produce grains, get wild fish, and farm animals in a mechanized way. The dou…

Seaweed has been quite extensively used as animal feed in at least Norway, to the point where some of the most known local species have names like kutare (cow kelp), sauetang (sheep seaweed) and grisetang (pigs seaweed), since that's what you used to feed your cows, sheeps and pigs.

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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post #204

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I've tried tripe a few times and times and I can chew it, swallow it, sure, but its just so foreign to me that I don't seek it out any more.

Tripe is exactly what I was thinking of as I read the GP. It's just...not very good. Same with pig's ear, or tendons. They're not bad foods and they don't turn my stomach, but I'd rather eat pretty much any other part of an animal.

What!? The soup that is made from beef tripe is amazing!

And if you have a problem with the chewiness, you can substitute oyster mushrooms.

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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It would have been helpful if the article specified the type of seaweed and the location. [1] and what to look for as markers of pollution, or anything else harmfull in the environment where the seaweed is found.

I see this hoard of people heading to the first ocean or lake they can find and munching down on it.

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32188262/

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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Seaweed is one of those incredibly delicious items[1] that for some strange reason isn't more popular. I'd love it if it became more common, and more cuisines (outside Japan) incorporated it into their existing dishes. I'm imagining like an Indian curry with seaweed mixed in, or an Italian pasta with seaweed mixed in (in addition to existing ingredients)..... [1] if you buy it from a good brand, so YMMV.

It's just the name. "sea" and "weed" are both unappetizing. Needs a PR firm to rebrand it.

It also looks like shit, unless it's heavily prepped.

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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Seaweed is one of those incredibly delicious items[1] that for some strange reason isn't more popular. I'd love it if it became more common, and more cuisines (outside Japan) incorporated it into their existing dishes. I'm imagining like an Indian curry with seaweed mixed in, or an Italian pasta with seaweed mixed in (in addition to existing ingredients)..... [1] if you buy it from a good brand, so YMMV.

> Seaweed is one of those incredibly delicious items[1] that for some strange reason isn't more popular. Seaweed is one of the few foods that will nearly ruin a dish for me. I just really don't like the flavor or the smell.

It's an acquired taste - in other words, you acquire it by exposure. For me, seaweed was something I just accepted but didn't particularly care about when I was first exposed to Japanese food (I will eat everything edible served to me, out of principle), but after all this time I've come to love it and it's now delicious when we use various kinds of seaweed and kelp in soups and lots of other dishes.

There's a lot of unknown food which doesn't taste particularly good at first, or it even tastes bad - but people learn to like just about everything, just give it time. It's not a yes / no forever issue.

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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Igor Limansky, from Alone Season 9, didn't do well living off of just seaweed. He grew very weak and developed heart palpitations from malnutrition. Including seaweed in one's diet may have worked for people but living exclusively on seaweed seems to have problems.

My understanding is that there are very few foods that are fine to live off of exclusively, especially vegetarian ones. Potatoes are the most famous example where it is possible, but even there it only works if you eat both white potatoes and sweet potatoes, which come from quite different plants from different taxonomic families.

From what I've understood from one particular (very early) experiment of living on just potatoes for a year is that it worked because (for some reason) the participants had, or developed, a particular gut microbiome which could transform some of the potato starch to additional nutrients which their bodies could then use.
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