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The reason CEOs want workers to RTO is because they want you to quit

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Re: The reason CEOs want workers to RTO is because they want you to quit

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post #6

> The problem is, in 2020, employees took these remote-work policy changes as an "implied" promise. And that's where employees 'dun goofed. Unless they got permanent remote work in a written contract, this was all a temporary measure until the pandemic was over.

Legally, there was no "implied" promise as the company has to register in the state in which you're working in order to handle local taxes. That's not an implication. Also, many employees have been hired in the 3.5 years everybody was sent home and were hired as remote employees. Again, no implication. My personal anecdote, I've been identified as a full-remote employee with the appropriate updates to my employment status. Once again, that's not an implication.

Frankly, in many cases, these companies are in breech of contract. In some states that contract isn't worth the paper it's written on and in others, it does. Here's the thing - it's the state where the employee actually works who determines the enforcement of the contract. States benefiting from WFH are going to be more inclined to enforce those contracts.

Re: The reason CEOs want workers to RTO is because they want you to quit

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post #12

The real reason CEOs want people back in office is 100% because they are broadly part of the same socio-economic class that owns the vast majority of commercial real estate around the world. They and their friends and family own all the commercial real estate, and high vacancy rates are are hurting their bottom lines and reducing the rate at which their property values increase, so they want people back in the office…

That's maybe 10% of it. The other 90% is that they are narcissistic sociopaths that need people around them worshiping their every move.

ok. but I think video meetings support this use case pretty well.

Re: The reason CEOs want workers to RTO is because they want you to quit

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post #6

> The problem is, in 2020, employees took these remote-work policy changes as an "implied" promise. And that's where employees 'dun goofed. Unless they got permanent remote work in a written contract, this was all a temporary measure until the pandemic was over.

I agree. We were supposed to go back after 1 month, then 3 months, than 1 year, than 18 months, and then it was "we give up, work wherever you want - but for taxes and insurance purposes you MUST stay inside the state". And now our office lease is up; CEO recently announced where the new office will be. It will be extremely close to his new house and will have desks for even more people than we have now. You'd have t…

Nobody likes an ass-kisser. That's the best career advice I can give you.

Re: The reason CEOs want workers to RTO is because they want you to quit

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post #12

The real reason CEOs want people back in office is 100% because they are broadly part of the same socio-economic class that owns the vast majority of commercial real estate around the world. They and their friends and family own all the commercial real estate, and high vacancy rates are are hurting their bottom lines and reducing the rate at which their property values increase, so they want people back in the office…

I've heard this before, but would the actual collusion mechanics be to make this happen? Like, my landlord buddy golfing just won't stop pestering me about getting my company to return to office so I convince the board of my company to do it?

having money invested in some entity that owns commercial real estate would probably be plenty of motivation.

Re: The reason CEOs want workers to RTO is because they want you to quit

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post #28

You can speculate about various external reasons, but I suspect the real explanation is less rational and more psychological, instinctive, primal: managers enjoy the physicality and immediacy of management. They love to survey their domain, as if a lord, to be able to watch their underlings, to stand over their shoulders or get in their face, force them to acknowledge and respond to you. With WFH, a lot of that is lo…

Possibly, and also crab bucket mentality extracts more labor and more sacrifices from workers.

Re: The reason CEOs want workers to RTO is because they want you to quit

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It's crazy to think that without having anything to back it up.

Do you have any proof you’re more productive at home other than staying you don’t have to commute and can do laundry during the day? Edit: I’m not sure why I can’t reply to the guy below me but plenty of Google results about surveys that show WFH is less productive.

It's certainly more efficient for me that I don't have to commute 2 hours per day on my own dime to spend the day in some open plan office with inferior equipment to what I have at home...

Re: The reason CEOs want workers to RTO is because they want you to quit

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post #28

You can speculate about various external reasons, but I suspect the real explanation is less rational and more psychological, instinctive, primal: managers enjoy the physicality and immediacy of management. They love to survey their domain, as if a lord, to be able to watch their underlings, to stand over their shoulders or get in their face, force them to acknowledge and respond to you. With WFH, a lot of that is lo…

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Re: The reason CEOs want workers to RTO is because they want you to quit

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post #23

I am really confused when I think about all the big bosses praising cooperation in the office. And when a group meetings occur they call in from home while peasants sit in the windowless conference room with poor ventilation. I just quit a company who did full return to the office. I don’t mind 2-3 days in the office, but not 5.

IMO executives who expect everyone to RTO but don't themselves is the worst kind of hypocrisy.

Re: The reason CEOs want workers to RTO is because they want you to quit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crazy to think that without having anything to back it up.

Do you have any proof you’re more productive at home other than staying you don’t have to commute and can do laundry during the day? Edit: I’m not sure why I can’t reply to the guy below me but plenty of Google results about surveys that show WFH is less productive.

> I’m not sure why I can’t reply to the guy below me

You can't reply too fast, there's a timeout

> but plenty of Google results about surveys that show WFH is less productive

And plenty show WFH is more productive. And some show there's a trust gap, which might explain the productivity difference. I would say there's no definitive study yet. Some companies have banked on WFH even before the pandemic. It could well be that it's a market and there's a split that optimises productivity.

Re: The reason CEOs want workers to RTO is because they want you to quit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's maybe 10% of it. The other 90% is that they are narcissistic sociopaths that need people around them worshiping their every move.

ok. but I think video meetings support this use case pretty well.

One thing that video meetings don't support is higher-level managers throwing their weight around where they technically shouldn't.

When you have multiple levels of people working under you in an office, you can go down the management structure as many levels as you want just by dropping into people's offices, and there's no record of it and no way to prevent it. If you have to schedule a zoom call it shows up in people's calendars and gives worker's immediate supervisors the chance to intervene.

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