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Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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> archaeologists had long assumed that the introduction of farming during the Neolithic era meant that early humans largely abandoned such foods from the sea Always hard to tell if researchers are really as dull as these press releases make them to seem, or it's just academia's form of clickbait. Did anyone in their right mind really think that people went "ok, we've found a very labor intensive way to have food avai…

On top of that, the creation of agriculture was almost certainly extremely granular. There is a spectrum of foraging to farming. You go out in the forest and take some fruits back. Some of the discarded fruit seeds end up growing trees near your settlement. Someone eventually realizes that having fruit trees close by is really convenient, and they start planting seeds intentionally. This was probably done for a very,…

It's actually not clear at all that this is the case in Western Europe. Agriculture came with sweeping genetic and archaeological changes. There's quite a bit of evidence for population replacement in large parts of Europe as agriculture moved in, rather than existing hunter gatherers adopting farming.

If you look at the more recent history of the agricultural settlement of other parts of the world, it's not too different. North America the most recent, but parts of Africa as well. Hunter gatherers have low population densities over often very large territories, and are sensitive to disruptions in animal migrations; but when they're able to forage and hunt reliably their diets are actually often much better than agricultural populations and involve less overall labour. So they don't necessarily just give it up because somehow agriculture is better.

... and even the proto-Indo-European pastoralists of the steppe continued to forage wild grains and plants (rather than plant wheat like their neighbours to the west) for almost a millennia after domesticating horses and cattle. David Anthony gets into this in "Horse, Wheel, Language". And it wasn't because they didn't know how, they just preferred not to. Settling down to plant crops has trade-offs. (I say this as a person with a pile of pre-winter garden chores I'm procrastinating...)

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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Some of us still do! In Northern Ireland, we have a lesser-known seaweed dish called Dulce. https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20180522-the-renaissance-... It's tricky to find it fresh, you usually only get it in small greengrocers or at the Auld Lammas fair. Used to be quite cheap for a bag. Very salty but quite edible and said to be nutrient-dense.

Here in Oregon we're farming Dulse and it seems to be taking off: https://www.oregonseaweed.com/

Apparently when prepared right it tastes like bacon.

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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We have 30k year old statues? This is news to me, do you have a reference you can share?

A random example [1] - 25-29k BCE, so overall it potentially crosses 30k threshold

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Doln%C3%AD_V%C4%9Bsto...

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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Maybe it's a dumb question, but how do we know these biomarkers weren't from eating fish that are the seaweed? If the biomarkers are able to remain detectable for thousands of years without breaking down, perhaps they're also able to accumulate in fish? I don't know anything about it so my idea is probably wrong, but I'm surprised the article doesn't mention it since it seems like an obvious thing to wonder.

Do fish eat seaweed?

Several do, both fresh and salt water. Goldfish are a well-known plant-eating fish. You can’t keep them in aquaria with certain plants because they’ll nibble them relentlessly.

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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We have 30k year old statues? This is news to me, do you have a reference you can share?

Might be referring to the Venus of Willendorf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Willendorf

there's more but it's interesting that multiple people replied here with the same piece (Willendorf):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stone_Age_art

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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Some of us still do! In Northern Ireland, we have a lesser-known seaweed dish called Dulce. https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20180522-the-renaissance-... It's tricky to find it fresh, you usually only get it in small greengrocers or at the Auld Lammas fair. Used to be quite cheap for a bag. Very salty but quite edible and said to be nutrient-dense.

Kind of funny it's salty but it's called dulce/dulse (Spanish for 'sweet'). I'd love to know the pronunciation for 'Duileasg'

I'll give you that /θ/ is pronounced [s] by the majority of the Spanish speaking world, but it's definitely "dulce" and not with s.

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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Some of us still do! In Northern Ireland, we have a lesser-known seaweed dish called Dulce. https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20180522-the-renaissance-... It's tricky to find it fresh, you usually only get it in small greengrocers or at the Auld Lammas fair. Used to be quite cheap for a bag. Very salty but quite edible and said to be nutrient-dense.

Yes! Came here to say that. I was in Ireland a few years back and had a bag. I would admit it wasn't really my thing - but love Ireland nonetheless.

Re: Early Europeans ate seaweed for thousands of years

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Kind of funny it's salty but it's called dulce/dulse (Spanish for 'sweet'). I'd love to know the pronunciation for 'Duileasg'

I'll give you that /θ/ is pronounced [s] by the majority of the Spanish speaking world, but it's definitely "dulce" and not with s.

My fault, I wrote it with an 's' just because I looked for the seaweed around and I found it written as 'dulse'. I in fact don't pronounce it with the 's'. :P :D
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