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Google-hosted malvertising leads to fake Keepass site that looks genuine

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Re: Google-hosted malvertising leads to fake Keepass site that looks genuine

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Isn't ignoring ads easier (so 0. Use an adblocker)? How often would a scam rank higher than the legitimate domain? Maybe also 4. use a package manager?

Ads always appear at the top so scams always rank higher than legitimate domains.

no they don't

> (so 0. Use an adblocker)

Also it's easier to ignore them than manually entering urls with a typo leading you to some other unsafe domain

Re: Google-hosted malvertising leads to fake Keepass site that looks genuine

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> That would make Google responsible for the work of police - you're saying that Google should be actively trying to identify "criminals" (by whatever definitnion of whatever state in US or even their legal departmeny - quotes deliberate) and prevent them from being able to do business in modern web world. Google is a company that nets 60 billion $ a year in profits. They can afford hiring a few thousand people to ma…

Your math is off, without more data. What do you think the number of different ads being displayed is, given how much each ad costs? Estimates suggest it's about 30 billion ad impressions per day to earn that. If each distinct ad gets 1000 impressions, that's 10 billion ads to review per year. Let's be super generous, and assume it's 10k impressions, leaving us with 1 billion ads to review. Let's further assume it's…

So what? If Google is only profitable because the vast externalized costs to it are borne by society at large (e.g. malvertising, scams, unsafe "medical" products and supplements, competitors placing ads in an unfair way [1]), then maybe prices for advertising have to rise to match the prevention cost, or Google has to figure out other ways of staying profitable. I don't care all that much.

And if it leads to less, but higher quality ads in the end, even better.

[1] https://dejure.org/dienste/vernetzung/rechtsprechung?Gericht...

Re: Google-hosted malvertising leads to fake Keepass site that looks genuine

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Why East European are suspicious? Little xenophobic?

It's not xenophobic, it's just realistic. If you tried to run a fake, malware-laden website in a Western country you would eventually be shut down and prosecuted. These scams mostly fester in nations with weaker institutions, not just Eastern Europe but also China and India. Their authorities are simply not interested in preventing this kind of unlawful activity.

Eastern Europe hosts 'em while big American tech advertises 'em.

International cooperation for mutual profit.

Re: Google-hosted malvertising leads to fake Keepass site that looks genuine

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> That would make Google responsible for the work of police - you're saying that Google should be actively trying to identify "criminals" (by whatever definitnion of whatever state in US or even their legal departmeny - quotes deliberate) and prevent them from being able to do business in modern web world. Google is a company that nets 60 billion $ a year in profits. They can afford hiring a few thousand people to ma…

Your math is off, without more data. What do you think the number of different ads being displayed is, given how much each ad costs? Estimates suggest it's about 30 billion ad impressions per day to earn that. If each distinct ad gets 1000 impressions, that's 10 billion ads to review per year. Let's be super generous, and assume it's 10k impressions, leaving us with 1 billion ads to review. Let's further assume it's…

Strange explanation.

If Google cannot handle legit business then it should manage their resources better.

Advertising malware is not legit business.

"We are so profitable and big" is not excuse for it.

It is reason why they earn so much money, they do not care if criminals advertise malware.

Now banks must spend awful lot of money to fight money laundering. Maybe it is time to force Google to take some responsibility.

Re: Google-hosted malvertising leads to fake Keepass site that looks genuine

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>A closer link at the link, however, shows that the site is not the genuine one. In fact, ķeepass[.]info —at least when it appears in the address bar—is just an encoded way of denoting xn--eepass-vbb[.]info, which it turns out, is pushing a malware family tracked as FakeBat. Combining the ad on Google with a website with an almost identical URL creates a near perfect storm of deception. “Users are first deceived via…

The first "punycode attacks" were using letters that were completely indistinguishable from the "real" ones (e.g. by using Cyrillic letters). I guess the assumption is that the user would be able to identify any letters with diacritics (even if they're indistinguishable from specks of dust on your screen) and avoid them - after all, you wouldn't go to "göogle.com" either?

As a german I wouldn't go to göogle.com. If my native language didn't include ö? Then that might be a speck of dust to me as well.

A safer approach would be to only ever show a user the characters they expect to see (and are familiar with), e.g. based on their language setting. Assuming that every language has a finite list of characters used in its written form such a whitelist approach should be possible and much better than playing whack-a-mole with a blacklist for "potentially confusable" characters.

Re: Google-hosted malvertising leads to fake Keepass site that looks genuine

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While Google is waging war against adblockers on YouTube they are once again showing they absolutely cannot be trusted with the responsibility of showing safe ads. That, and them showing war videos in ads to little kids.

Im constantly reporting ads that are inappropriate, scams, or flat out illegal, usually they are back within a week or two, if they even get removed at all. My favorites are the dumb-brick phone charger that "magic defrags your phone", and the micro-ghost pistol.

I did so too. Only that often, that I'm no longer able to report any ads at all.

Re: Google-hosted malvertising leads to fake Keepass site that looks genuine

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I consider myself a security-conscious person and I'm not sure I would've spotted this. Another reason to use uBo with zero regrets.

uBlock Origin is cool and all, but what does it have to do with IDN lookalike attacks? It certainly did not block this one for me.

It blocks redirects from Google ads so you would never have been able to load the website in the first place

Re: Google-hosted malvertising leads to fake Keepass site that looks genuine

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What is uBo?

Someone saving themselves 3 keypresses, approximately 1.5 seconds effort and causing a flurry of unneccesary replies.

"uBo" "uBlock Origin"

How is that a difference of 3 keys?

Re: Google-hosted malvertising leads to fake Keepass site that looks genuine

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"The ads were paid for by an outfit called Digital Eagle, which the transparency page says is an advertiser whose identity has been verified by Google."

OF COURSE they were verified by Google. Google verifies identity by accepting money. Give them money, and you're verified.

"Google representatives didn’t immediately respond to an email" Are there real humans at Google who actually answer email? I haven't seen a response from Google in more than a decade. It makes me wonder if all the phishing and spam I'm reporting even does anything.

Honestly, it's time for the world to move on from Google. They haven't been safe to use as a search engine for more than two years.

After clients had been sent to phishing sites by Google's ads, I decided to block these domains on all the networks I administer:

    googlesyndication.com
    googleadservices.com
    googletagservices.com
    googletagmanager.com
    google-analytics.com

Re: Google-hosted malvertising leads to fake Keepass site that looks genuine

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Your math is off, without more data. What do you think the number of different ads being displayed is, given how much each ad costs? Estimates suggest it's about 30 billion ad impressions per day to earn that. If each distinct ad gets 1000 impressions, that's 10 billion ads to review per year. Let's be super generous, and assume it's 10k impressions, leaving us with 1 billion ads to review. Let's further assume it's…

Strange explanation. If Google cannot handle legit business then it should manage their resources better. Advertising malware is not legit business. "We are so profitable and big" is not excuse for it. It is reason why they earn so much money, they do not care if criminals advertise malware. Now banks must spend awful lot of money to fight money laundering. Maybe it is time to force Google to take some responsibility…

"Advertising malware is not legit business."

Sure. I"m pointing out this simple sort of "they can easily afford to do x" is usually nonsense.

I haven't commented at all on what the result should be (not allowed to do it or whatever), simply that the math that it would be simple to fix is wrong.

If we are going to argue about things in a useful way, we should avoid random assertions without data that don't really advance the argument, especially when they are trivially wrong?

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