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Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by mordae »

If there's enough people who were wrongfully banned for any reason on Facebook because their review process is broken, maybe it's time for a class action suit?

Also, banning somebody and not keeping the relevant evidence, not showing the evidence to the client so that they can archive the case themselves to appeal in court? You don't have any anti-discrimination laws to prevent sellers choose their customers on subjective basis?

Because at this point Facebook cannot prove that the people violated the ToS and thus Facebook is restricting the services it offers to then.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by Izmaki »

rightbyte wrote: post #40
deredede wrote: post #19

> Meta won’t be seeing any of my money, whereas companies like Google, who seem to employ at least some humans in their advertising department — will That is a convoluted way to say you'll do business with companies that accept your business. Google is known for fully automated bans on your full account, not just the advertising part.

Eventually banning everyone is a good way to condensate spammers and scammers who will just set up a new company from time to time anyways. I haven't thought about this before, but it could explain some of the degeneration of ads over time I have been noticing.

My immediate thought when speed reading the blog post was "just create an advertisement company, have yourself as a client and call it a day". Sometimes we gotta fight stupid with stupid, you know?

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by reuven »

lbriner wrote: post #47

The whole issue around not telling you what rule you broke "because then you might work around it" is total BS. It's like a company I complained to the other day because they didn't label one of the inputs on their password reset form because "it would help a hacker know what to type in it" (it was the password reset password they expected but you wouldn't know). How much quicker would this be resolved if the first A…

Yup, I'm sure that I'm just not big enough for them to notice or handle personally. That said, this is still absurd.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by hakanderyal »

This non-sensical auto bans is a well-known phenomenon in the ads industry (personal/small companies). There is even a cottage industry of companies that's specialized in recovering banned ads accounts and/or getting around bans.

Usual methods for getting around this is creating business accounts via relatives, giving yourself admin rights and using that. Some have success with fake profiles.

That doesn't guarantee against banning of the new accounts, you just move on to new ones.

Because ROI is so damn good on these platforms, people put up with all kinds of BS to use them.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by donmcronald »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #45

Welcome to the future. Before too long this kind of bs will be an almost daily occurrence for most people who have to interact with businesses/institutions on the net. Highly automated inscrutable processes with hairtrigger banning logic and review paths that never lead to a human. Because the humans that survived the automation are too busy feeding the Algorithm to ever interact with the customers.

Government contractors seem to love it from what I’ve seen. They’ve always been about quantity over quality because most people don’t have the resources to fight the government. “AI” driven by greed and ignorance is a step towards ruining and collapsing a lot of government services in most western countries IMO.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by reuven »

deredede wrote: post #19

> Meta won’t be seeing any of my money, whereas companies like Google, who seem to employ at least some humans in their advertising department — will That is a convoluted way to say you'll do business with companies that accept your business. Google is known for fully automated bans on your full account, not just the advertising part.

OK, that's a fair point!

I know that Google has all sorts of automated things in place, and that people have gotten frustrated with them in the past. That said, my friends who have been stymied by Google's automated systems have always eventually managed to find a human who could fix things. Meta doesn't seem to have any such offer for customers. And even three employees, who agreed that the situation was absurd and could vouch for me, didn't manage to reverse the decision.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by pr337h4m »

>That’s right: I teach courses in Python and Pandas. Never mind that the first is a programming language and the second is a library for data analysis in Python. Meta’s AI system noticed that I was talking about Python and Pandas, assumed that I was talking about the animals (not the technology), and banned me.

If this is true, that is insanely embarrassing for a company that purports to be a sophisticated programmatic advertising platform.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by jonathanstrange »

I've had similar problems with Fabebook/Meta before and eventually gave up on buying ad services from them.

One solution to this problem would be a law that 1. mandates to give users the information when they are dealing with an algorithm only, and 2. forces companies to make it possible to contact humans within a specific time frame. I very much hope at least the EU will enact such a law soon.

Apart from monumental wastes of time with AI interactions for which no one is compensated, the thing that worries me most is that either AI "customer support" cannot do anything of substance anyway or the AI is given the power to make substantial changes to user settings, billing, etc. The first option means the company is bullshitting their customers, the second option can have very undesirable consequences.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by mywacaday »

reuven wrote: post #49
mvdtnz wrote: post #18

Did I miss something in the article? His only evidence that he was banned because of python (supposedly a ban on dealing in live animals) is that some other guy on Linked In who also advertised for Python courses was also banned and he claimed, without evidence, that it was because of the live animal constraint? This is not very convincing evidence. It definitely sounds like something has gone wrong, but OP is jumpin…

True, I don't know for sure that I was banned for Python. But it's the only information that I have so far, since Meta isn't telling me anything. And the other person confirmed that he had this problem multiple times. And it's true, you're only seeing one side of the story here. But I promise, I can't think of anything nefarious I've done that would get me banned. Well, aside from my crypto casino run by drug-smoking…

Would aa GDPR request be worth filing to try and glean some additional info?

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by bowsamic »

lbriner wrote: post #47

The whole issue around not telling you what rule you broke "because then you might work around it" is total BS. It's like a company I complained to the other day because they didn't label one of the inputs on their password reset form because "it would help a hacker know what to type in it" (it was the password reset password they expected but you wouldn't know). How much quicker would this be resolved if the first A…

It is BS, the real reason they don’t tell you is because they genuinely don’t know
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